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Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by tgsovlerkhgsel on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:37PM (#25680304)
The vandalized office you linked is... weird. Judging by the dirt on the carpet a sizeable horde stampeded through the office, some of them stayed long enough to put cigarettes out on a picture frame or something, and yet the destruction seems pretty limited.

I would have expected way worse, including fires.

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by rodgerd on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:28PM (#25681510)
It's not dirt, it's shit. The insurrectionists smeared shit around the Capitol buildings.
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by ghthor on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:15AM (#25682056)
Using the term, insurrection, to describe what happened yesterday is belligerently misrepresenting what happened. If the protests over the last year were mostly peaceful, then Jan 6 really was the most peaceful of them all. I was there, we had more then enough people to mount a serious insurrection. From what I could see, the members of the protest were used by some anarchist group to commit a BNE. Most, IE, 99.9% of the protestors were not involved in the BNE, and a significant portion of the protestors were fighting back against the anarchists.

The media is not telling the truth about what happened.

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by raziel2701 on Friday January 08, 2021 @01:23AM (#25682102)
No, insurrection is pretty accurate. They attempted sedition, and these people breaking in are domestic terrorists. Clear as day.
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by shard972 on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:06AM (#25682339)
Just saying it over and over again doesnt make it any more real.
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by scsilver on Saturday January 09, 2021 @09:32AM (#25700649)
They delayed and tried to overturn a constitutionally necessary process of democracy with their violent intimidation. What is that of you have a better word for it than terrorism and insurrection.
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by bregma on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:30AM (#25683973)
What happened meets the dictionary definition of an insurrection completely. It did not appear to be an armed insurrection or an attempted coup, would be difficult to file under terrorism, and sedition will be very challenging to prove, but "insurrection" is definitely the correct term to describe what happened.
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by knodi123 on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:35AM (#25686394)
> would be difficult to file under terrorism

"Terrorism: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

I dunno man, the attackers had flashbangs, zip ties, molotovs... If the building had to be evacuated, then I'd say it counts as intimidation. It was certainly in pursuit of political aims.

I think this counts.

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by bregma on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:54AM (#25686670)
I wasn't there, but the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists. I see a lot images of people wandering around inside the building taking selfies and acting like tourists (albiet often poorly-behaved ones going places they shouldn't). In hindsight the evacuation was probably overkill but I acknowledge it was probably the best reaction to a clear and present danger.

Like I say, it would be difficult to file under terrorism. You're welcome to try.

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by knodi123 on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:22PM (#25696922)
I think it's an interesting discussion topic.

The people showed up with molotovs, flashbangs, and zipties. That's intent to intimidate, even if the residents managed to get evacuated before we could prove that they weren't just comfort props from people who were merely cosplaying as terrorists.

Here's a copy/paste legal definition where I removed a lot of extraneous examples:

> Under federal law, the activity or attempted actions which could fall under terrorism charges include:

> government official kidnapping;

> arson or bombing property;

> use of explosives;

> attacking a federal facility;

> conspiracy to murder, kidnap, or maim;

> take a hostage;

> bombing public places;

I mean, they brought molotovs and bombs. And zipties. I'd say an attempt was made.

Then of course there's the fact that one of them murdered a cop by bashing his head with a fire extinguisher.

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by jsjohnst on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:39PM (#25689259)
Not siding which way on the terrorism debate, but have to comment on the:

> the images I've seen don't seem to demonstrate much violence and very little intimidation on the part of the insurrectionists

And say you must not have watched any of the videos then.

Here's one example: https://apple.news/AZER7Cgj_RceFCKp74T_oDw

Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by alisonkisk on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:24PM (#25689009)
They were armed with spears, guns, pipe bombs, and zip ties (for kidnapping/disabling people)
Re:A physical breach is a nightmare scenario for Capitol IT by andrethegiant on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:11AM (#25682361)
Trump supporters think that was a protest in the same way they think Donald Trump is a successful business man.