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Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by BurningFrog on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:13PM (#25678980)
> By the time we're done building these, we will already have exceeded our CO₂ budget for keeping below 1.5 °C at a reasonable certainty.

Trying to understand how this is an argument.

Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by desmond373 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:42PM (#25679268)
Building nuclear reactors usually involves laying concrete, transportation, steel and other sources of carbon emissions.

I'm unsure of the CO2 quantities so I cant make a statement as to whether its worth the CO2 cost.

What I can say is that wind, solar and other renewable alternatives also have initial CO2 costs, possibly lower than that of nuclear reactors.

Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by tshaddox on Thursday January 07, 2021 @10:59PM (#25681365)
I don’t think they were saying that just the resources to build the reactors would exceed that CO2 budget, but rather that the world would exceed that CO2 budget in the time it takes to build the reactors.
Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by passerby1 on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:11AM (#25682364)
Would be interesting to estimate and compare nuclear vs alternative "initial co2 efficiency per 1 megawatt priduced", considering large lifespan and power of reactor.
Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by jabl on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:49AM (#25682570)
Plenty of such studies have been done. An AFAIK relatively recent and neutral one https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-wind-nuclear-amazingly-low...
Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by rtkwe on Friday January 08, 2021 @10:11AM (#25685408)
The thrust of it is nuclear power takes long enough to build that if we try to meet the 1.5C goal using principally nuclear power by the time the plants come online we will have put enough carbon into the air from the existing power sources that we'll blow past 1.5C and get into the 'absolutely catastrophic sea level rise' territory instead of just causing whole island nations to disappear and the largest displacement in human history we're currently aiming for.
Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by BurningFrog on Friday January 08, 2021 @11:27AM (#25686295)
Yeah, from OPs response, that is what they think.

I think it amounts to "this only solves half the problem, so we shouldn't do it".

Most big problems aren't solved by just doing one thing. When global warming is finally solved, it will have been by 10 separate things that each solved 5-20% of the problem.

Also, imposing an arbitrary deadline in 2029 is horrible project management. In a commercial project it's also dumb, but at least there you can cancel the project, and people move on to do other things.

For Earth, we can't cancel the planet in 2029 if targets weren't met.

Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by IngoBlechschmid on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:35PM (#25679183)
If we decided today to do large-scale deployment of new nuclear reactors, then we would see reductions in CO₂ emissions from the energy sector only in ten to twenty years.

But at our current rate, the global CO₂ budget will be fully exhausted in about eight years.

Hence we need to seize other measures, measures which reduce our emissions on a shorter timescale: switching to wind+solar+storage and in the process democratizing energy production, rethinking mobility (massive expansion of public transport, massive price reduction of public transport, massive investion in biking infrastructure, making outer city districts more attractive), putting a prize on CO₂ with a substantial steering effect (but ensuring that the proceeds of such a tax are given, in equal parts, to the population, so that people who contribute less-than-average to the climate crisis have more money available at the end of the day), transforming the system (because even with a prize for CO₂, there are lots of valuable things which cannot be measured in dollars, and competition pressure in unchecked capitalism deepens inequality and exploitation), ...

Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by thu2111 on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:43AM (#25684075)
But at our current rate, the global CO₂ budget will be fully exhausted in about eight years.

We don't actually know that. It's a model projection. Academic models have a long history of being wrong and seemingly always in the direction of being too pessimistic, across a variety of fields.

Do we need to transition away from fossil fuels? Sure. Are the models so robust and so beyond question that nuclear should be ruled out on the basis of a handful of years of construction time? No way. The science is nowhere near solid enough for that.

Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by drran on Friday January 08, 2021 @07:55AM (#25684170)
I have problems with CO2 already. I need to ventilate my room every 0.5 hours to keep CO2 level below 1000ppm.
Re:Nuclear lighthouses built by the Soviets in the Arctic [v... by jabl on Friday January 08, 2021 @02:13AM (#25682374)
> If we decided today to do large-scale deployment of new nuclear reactors, then we would see reductions in CO₂ emissions from the energy sector only in ten to twenty years.

Nobody serious is suggesting we do nothing but deploy nuclear reactors. Just in the energy sector, we should do a massive build-out of wind, solar, transmission, and, yes, nuclear.

> switching to wind+solar+storage and in the process democratizing energy production

These have large economies of scale too. While you might want to install a small propeller in your back yard, it's much more cost effective to get the energy from the grid supplied by a large scale wind farm.

> rethinking mobility (massive expansion of public transport, massive price reduction of public transport, massive investion in biking infrastructure, making outer city districts more attractive), putting a prize on CO₂ with a substantial steering effect (but ensuring that the proceeds of such a tax are given, in equal parts, to the population, so that people who contribute less-than-average to the climate crisis have more money available at the end of the day), transforming the system (because even with a prize for CO₂, there are lots of valuable things which cannot be measured in dollars, and competition pressure in unchecked capitalism deepens inequality and exploitation), ...

These may all be good ideas (and personally, I would certainly agree with some of those), but has nothing to do with whether the needed energy is produced by renewables, nuclear, or mass deployment of hamster wheels.