Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests
by ALittleLight on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:40PM
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It's clearly illegal and immoral for the police to shoot political protesters for trespassing. It's equally immoral to try, convict, and execute political protesters who are trespassing for sedition or treason. Killing people because you don't like their politics, or because you're upset at their political protest is wrong and immoral.
Re:U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests
by Dylan16807 on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:32PM
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Your words are true, but it's not mere "trespassing" when the building is full of workers and people are bringing guns.
“Trespassing in the Capitol” is hardly the only offense committed here, and while it may be the fact that none of them are capital offenses (I don’t actually think they are), its not unreasonable for someone who has a layman's familiarity with the general principles of criminal law in the US but not the specific mess that is the federal criminal code to that felony murder rule along with participation as a principal in an inherently violent group felony which did, in fact, result in deaths would make the principals guilty of first-degree murder.
> Calling trespass and vandalism treason and sedition and saying that these minor crimes merit the death penalty is egregiously immoral and dishonest.
The acts clearly aren’t treason, but they equally clearly are seditious conspiracy (18 USC Sec. 2384; in relevant part: “If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire […] by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”)
So, no, its neither “egregiously immoral” nor “dishonest” to call them sedition.
Even if one ignores that they are a seditious conspiracy (which one should not), the federal crimes are not minor, and include, among others:
Assaulting or impeding federal officers (18 USC Sec. 111)
Conspiracy to impede or injure an officer of the United States (18 USC Sec. 372: “If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.”)
Theft of federal property (18 USC Sec. 641)
Interstate travel for purposes of riot (18 USC Sec. 2101)
Intrusion on buildings or grounds restricted because of the presence of Secret Service protected persons (18 USC 1752, in relevant part: “(a)Whoever— (1) knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so; [or] (2) knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, engages in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any restricted building or grounds when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions; […] or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b). […] (c) In this section— (1)the term “restricted buildings or grounds” means any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area— […] (B)of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting”)