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Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by neogodless on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:19AM (#25672866)
There's a phrase "Talking out of both sides of your mouth." He said what he believed the urging of politicans, media and oppositional citizens wanted by saying "go home" while continuing to say what his base wanted to hear - "we won in a landslide and it was stolen."

Each side could choose to only hear what they want, or recognize it for the manipulation it is. We know what his followers will do - hear what they want to hear. We know what his opposition will do - hear it for the manipulation it is. Therefore we can conclude that it was not a genuine urging of his followers to actually give up and leave.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by imglorp on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:33AM (#25673159)
The President's attorney also ran a rally 2 hours before the riot calling for "trial by combat". Some speech is way over the line. There's always a wink at the end.

https://twitter.com/SamuelSokol/status/1347173729458122753

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by NE2z2T9qi on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:33PM (#25674207)
And when politicians call each other Nazis, or when Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney wanted to re-enslave black people?

Seems like you're only going to apply your "inciting violence" claim to one side. I watched cities burn over the summer and intense levels of violence... And yet no one on the left trotted out speech bans and "incitement to violence" claims. It's obvious you're selectively targeting enforcement of intentionally vague standards. Federal buildings were being accosted in Portland and Seattle just a few months ago and the mayors supported them. Haven't seen their accounts banned.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by donohoe on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:39PM (#25674305)
Not the same thing. Stop trying to make the two sound the same.

It all started when Mr. Biden, addressing a predominantly African American crowd, quoted Mr. Romney as saying in his first 100 days as president that "he's going to let the big banks once again write their own rules -- unchain Wall Street." Then the vice president added with a grin: "They're going to put y'all back in chains!"

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by newacct583 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:01PM (#25674699)
> And when politicians call each other Nazis, or when Joe Biden claimed that Mitt Romney wanted to re-enslave black people?

Name calling isn't incitement to violence. Can you point to the specific instances of violence you are talking about and the speech that inspired them?

The issue here is that this isn't theoretical. Trump actually spoke to a real mob, in person, told them to march to the capitol, and then praised him once they had invaded and sacked it during a joint session of congress. Given that, yes, we look at his speech with much less tolerant criteria. He wasn't just spouting off, he is at least a proximate cause of a direct attack on our seat of government.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by NE2z2T9qi on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:12PM (#25674877)
What a news-bubble you live in. Multiple cities burned over the summer while many politicians, activist, and newspapers encouraged protests. Numerous Trump supporters were assaulted. At least two Trump supporters were shot to death.

The fact that you don’t know and don’t care about this shows in what politically-biased bad faith you’re operating.

Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by newacct583 on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:25PM (#25675070)
I repeat: Can you point to the specific instances of violence you are talking about and the speech that inspired them?
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by NE2z2T9qi on Friday January 08, 2021 @12:11PM (#25686905)
We both know the game you’re going to play. I’ll give you the name of the murdered man, the murderer aligned with Antifa, and a long list of times Joe Biden refused to condemn Antifa violence, and language from city mayors calling Trump-supporters unamerican, unwelcome, and threats to their city. I’ll say it clearly condoned violence and you’ll say it didn’t. And that’s exactly my point. You want to use a vague wishy-washy standard that you can use to suppress political opinions you disagree while letting political opinions you like slip by. Stop trying to censor speech. It’s 2021, not the dark ages. Grow up.
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by newacct583 on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:35PM (#25690817)
I repeat: Can you point to the specific instances of violence you are talking about and the speech that inspired them?
Re:Facebook Indefinitely Suspends Trump by NE2z2T9qi on Friday January 08, 2021 @04:50PM (#25690985)
The fact that you don’t know which murders I’m taking about already speaks volumes about your myopic news bubble. Or maybe you do know which murders I’m talking about and you just want to continue playing a moving-the-goal post game. Tedious.

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler: “I vehemently oppose what the Proud Boys and those associated with them stand for, and I will not tolerate hate speech and the damage it does in our city. White nationalists, particularly those coming to our city armed, threaten the safety of Portlanders and are not welcome here.”

The mayor calls a group of people demonstrating in his city hateful, “not welcome” and “threats to safety”. Not long after, a Patriot Prayer demonstrator Aaron Danielson was the victim of a pre-meditated murder by a man who described himself as “100% Antifa”. Joe Biden was asked on multiple occasions to condemn Antifa, and he refused, instead only generically condemned violence... exactly the same criticism leveled against Trump. I can cry and whine like you that Ted Wheeler and Joe Biden caused murder, but I’m not a baby. I’m not going to make speech illegal because I don’t like its content. Punish actual crimes, not speech you don’t like.

So, get out of your bubble and stop attacking freedom of expression, the most essential of freedoms.