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Re:Poll: Switching from WhatsApp by approxim8ion on Thursday January 07, 2021 @10:54AM (#25672408)
Covered your first point in my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543. Not copy-pasting because I don't want to come off as spammy.

Isn't MTProto proprietary as well?

Also, the option to delete on a periodic basis is not an alternative to not having things stored in the first place. That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsApp or Telegram) so there's not much to argue there.

Re:Poll: Switching from WhatsApp by fsflover on Thursday January 07, 2021 @11:14AM (#25672765)
> Isn't MTProto proprietary as well?

Clients are open-source, so you can see the code for e2e encryption.

> That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsApp or Telegram) so there's not much to argue there.

This is exactly true, so I actually prefer Matrix.

Re:Poll: Switching from WhatsApp by approxim8ion on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:02PM (#25674713)
> Clients are open-source, so you can see the code for e2e encryption.

Cool. Unfortunately the cases where it's applicable are too limited for my liking.

> Matrix.

Matrix is great, I just wish I had more luck onboarding my network onto it. I really enjoy using Element.