This is false. No proposed ads in 1:1 or any size group chats, only large channels (which are like RSS feeds, you can join but not post).

In addition 100% of Telegram traffic is encrypted over the wire (like this website, your bank, etc). The only difference with secret chats is that they're end to end encrypted.

Signal is a very bad user experience if you use several devices (phone, tablet, home computer, work computer). Continuing a chat on a different device doesn't work nearly as well as on Telegram where it's flawless.

Telegram NON Secrete Chat are not E2E.

You just said the exact same thing as your parent comment in fewer words.

Not true at all - you have no ads looking at your screen, neither chatting privately. Group/channel owners may choose to add ads, but you can always run your own client made to ignore them - telegram is open source.

Not showing you ads in 1:1 chat or in groups the maintainer has chose not to enable them in is different from, "I have your data ready to go for targeted advertisement".

This is essentially the Google model. Your search queries and browsing history (and Android and Chrome) are essential to targeted ads shown on every website "the webmasters choose to enable them on".

> This is essentially the Google model.

What? Google uses all your info for creepy personalized ads. Telegram is showing the same ads to everyone in a channel. And it isn't in 1:1 chats cuz they're supposed to be non-intrusive and gives a feeling of privacy.

Who is the 'maintainer'? Telegram is the only entity here.

The data is still on Telegram's servers, unencrypted. They may be doing ads in a channel/group, but I don't think for one second that's where they're going to stop now that they've entered that rabbit hole. By the time you'd realise, it'd be too late, since they've got your data on their servers, unencrypted. This is strictly worse than WhatsApp.

https://gizmodo.com/the-dangers-of-techs-privacy-promises-18...

> This is strictly worse than WhatsApp.

How? Google has all the whatsapp chats via the drive backups which 98% of users enable. fake E2EE

Telegram has an open API, alternative clients and free cloud storage.

They explain very well why they didn't want to give misleading e2ee claims like whatsapp https://telegra.ph/Why-Isnt-Telegram-End-to-End-Encrypted-by...

It is open source.

>bad IM experience compared to WhatsApp

I'd say forcing me to type on a shitty tiny on-screen keyboard (or use a _browser_ while still keeping the network on my phone running) is such a terrible experience that literally everything else wins in comparison to this.

> ...literally everything else wins in comparison to this.

I think you do realise that WhatsApp uses E2E and there's no way to do it any more securely unless the messages always go through your phone; and so, I believe you have already made a choice to use insecure services because "convenience", but in the context of current discussion (privacy and security), WhatsApp comes out superior despite Facebook's involvement. And that's saying something.