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Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by roel_v on Thursday January 07, 2021 @03:22AM (#25668616)
"Signal has gotten better" is the new "Linux on the desktop". When I move to a new phone with Signal, is there already an (easy) mechanism to take along all my messages from my old phone? Last time I checked, there wasn't, and this is a core requirement, even if most people don't quite realize it when they start using Signal.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by querez on Thursday January 07, 2021 @05:54AM (#25669609)
There is a mechanism that works very well and reliably. It involves manually copying an exported backup from the old phone to the new one, and entering a 16 digit (IIRC) passcode. Wheter you consider that easy or not depends on you. For me it was a 5 minute procedure
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by roel_v on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:02AM (#25669659)
Right, I used that procedure once, it's completely inadequate. It relies on having access to the old phone, knowing how to get files off it (and onto a new phone; both of which probably assume you know how to navigate the filesystem), and you basically need to follow documentation to do it, it's completely undiscoverable (maybe that last part has changed).

All of which is completely unacceptable in 2021 for a product meant for a large audience. Messaging is integral to people's lives, to the point where people keep 10+ year old phones because they have messages on them from people that passed away and they can't figure out how to move the messages across or to a new system. As much as it pains me to say, there just aren't any production quality alternatives to WhatsApp that can take over. And don't even get me started on Element/Matrix...

Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by baq on Thursday January 07, 2021 @08:14AM (#25670608)
this also highlights that somehow it's ok to not be able to easily extract files out of your phone. it's maddening.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by jbotz on Thursday January 07, 2021 @06:35AM (#25669885)
You have a point, but one should point out here that WhatsApp makes this easy only if you stick with the same type of phone... if you switch between Android and iOS you're completely SOL with WhatsApp. With Signal on the other hand you can use the (admittedly non-trivial) procedure mentioned in sibling in either case.