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Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by 0xbadcafebee on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @09:35PM (#25666598)
Other people who run on donations: Public Radio, The Red Cross, all government services, all religions. It's fine to be skeptical of how they use their donations, but don't be skeptical just because that's their funding model.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by SllX on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:32PM (#25667298)
Taxes are not donations.

Your example of religions is also suspect. To be blunt we perceive it that way in places and times where established Churches are legally independent and separate from the government. It’s not always and often isn’t true, or at least isn’t the case by default in some places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

Compare and contrast with Alms, the more charitable less compulsory concept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alms

Just one more reason to love separation of Church and State and the prohibition on Congress on making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by aftbit on Wednesday January 06, 2021 @11:17PM (#25667227)
Taxes to pay for government services are more like protection money than donations IMHO. If I were to stop paying, some angry people with guns would eventually come to my door to take me away.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by 0xbadcafebee on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:31AM (#25671409)
The protection you get isn't a racket, it's a system that enables you and others to live in a society. If you don't want to live in a society, best of luck to you.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by Maken on Thursday January 07, 2021 @12:48AM (#25667688)
It's more like a subscription fee. They kick you out of society if you stop paying.
Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by SllX on Thursday January 07, 2021 @01:51AM (#25668014)
Protection money is pretty accurate actually. Instead of paying salaries for Armies and the City Guard, it’s law enforcement. Well, Armies too.

Not the nicest way to put it but they put in Yeoman’s[1] work and earn it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeoman

Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by 0xbadcafebee on Thursday January 07, 2021 @09:33AM (#25671431)
No, it's not accurate at all.

"Protection money" means somebody is illegally forcing you to pay for something that you don't want or need, solely to enrich themselves. But it's not illegal if it's literally the foundation of the society.

Democracy is the most expensive system of government. It has to be paid for or it doesn't work. It's paid for with taxes. It's not protection money, it's fuel for a life support system that you and everyone else is hooked up to.

Re:WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebo... by SllX on Thursday January 07, 2021 @02:43PM (#25676208)
In this case taxes are paying for the protection of a democratic society, which you can fairly reasonably call protection money.

I mean was it legal when the local Baron came and levied a tax on your wheat? Under the King’s laws, or maybe it was just tradition, but if the alternative is you’re killed and your land is taken and given to someone more loyal, then you just had a tax levied upon you and the payment was your life.

Similarly, merchants which snuck into cities rather than paying the tax at the gates were not entitled to protections from whoever was the guarantor of laws, a city guard or the like.

So what’s going to happen if you don’t pay your taxes? Turns out the IRS, the States and the equivalents in other countries have legal means of taking what you own for what you owe. We can discuss the tradeoffs on this, but in practice it’s not overly different from a Duke or a King or a mobster. What’s different is the process, the expectancy of it, and the legality.

At the end of the day, what we’re paying for is the protection of our police, fire departments, Armies and Navies.