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Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by jodrellblank on Monday January 04, 2021 @06:36PM (#25639798)
> "everyone talking about unionization refuses to get into the nitty gritty of what I might gain, what I might lose,"

Do you support dictatorships or monarchies on the grounds that democracy enthusiasts cannot tell you exactly what the populace will vote for?

To use your phrasing, where in the fuck is the actual case study about the structure of the status quo's constraints, influences and incentives?

Apart from the lobbying, the quiet silencing of health and safety and maybe ethics violations, the de-facto expected longer hours and 24x7 on-call, the decades of open-secret poor working conditions in the gaming industry, the constant complaints of tech worker burnout, tech often being considered a cost center and reporting to MBAs and CFOs and not getting a board level representation that reflects the value tech creates, the use of stack ranking that doesn't get applied to sales / management teams, the standard advice that the only way to get a significant salary increase is to change jobs, the often poor or misaligned or unreachable incentives and targets, the situation where a company paying more in perks instead of money is considered good, and etc.

You didn't demand a study before agreeing the current approach is good, did you?

> "Don't tell me I want a union contract, tell me what the terms of the contract will be"

Exactly what people negotiate for will be a representation of what isn't being taken seriously in any specific workplace. "Divide and conquer" - one employer with tens of millions of dollars and a team of lawyers united on one side and every individual employee divided with a fraction of a lawyer and a small amount of money on the other side. How can this ever result in great things for the employee side?

Unless you're the 1% with your pick of FAANG jobs and high 6-figure salaries, in which case you're the exception everyone else should ignore because we aren't you and a system where only the 1% can get desirable working conditions for most of their life, and everyone else deserves to suffer for not being good enough, is a bad system.

Re:A group of Google workers have announced plans to unionize by humanrebar on Monday January 04, 2021 @08:35PM (#25640934)
It's worth noting that the Bill of Rights was agreed to in principle before the U.S. Constitution was modified. The amendment process also can bypass the national office holders if need be, which is a kind of democratic check on centralized power, albeit an basically unused one so far.