XMPP killed XMPP. Its just not very good. It doesn't work well between different clients and servers. The protocol is a horribly overcomplicated mess of overlapping, partially supported extensions for basic functionality. And it doesn't work at all with low power mobile delivery. (It was invented before the iphone.)

There might have been political reasons why google dropped XMPP, but it would also make sense as a purely technical decision.

> And it doesn't work at all with low power mobile delivery. (It was invented before the iphone.)

This is plain untrue. Yes it was invented a long time ago, but thanks to the extensibility it has evolved over time just as the way people use it has changed. This evolution is a healthy and necessary part of an open ecosystem.

I know it frustrates people that modern features don't work in stagnated clients such as Pidgin and Adium, but modern clients support all the things you would expect.

Servers and mobile clients have supported mobile-friendly traffic and connection optimisations for many many years now.

> There might have been political reasons why google dropped XMPP, but it would also make sense as a purely technical decision.

Google contributed extensions to XMPP, the same way they contribute to other internet standards. I think they were quite comfortable with this. The XMPP-based Google Talk was their longest-running messaging solution after all...

> And it doesn't work at all with low power mobile delivery.

What makes you think so? If Conversations was draining my battery, I would have noticed by now, I'm pretty sure that Facebook Messenger is worse in this aspect...

Maybe things have changed - certainly when I looked at it a few years ago (around the time that google stopped supporting it) my understanding was that xmpp had no push notification support. The app in the phone had to either poll or explicitly hold open a TCP connection. (Which is problematic when the app is backgrounded.)

Has this been fixed in XMPP?

Yes, XMPP has had push notification support for years. It's the only way can work on mobile these days.

> It was invented before the iphone

That's true for email also. So that's not an evidence for anything lacking in xmpp. The plain fact is that Google killed it due to their greed.

I was recently forced to use Facebook Messenger (thanks God it's soon over), and I'm hating it : it's slow on mobile, even worse on PC, where it regularly makes my whole OS hang requiring a reboot.

Scrolling back is atrociously slow, and it doesn't even seem to have a search feature !

I'd take XMPP alternatives like Conversations, Jitsi, Pidgin any day ! (And Element of course.)

XMPP is hardly killed. There are tens of thousands of XMPP servers out there with over a hundred public servers. There are lots of client implementations. Even the really bad implementations manage basic messaging.

Spam killed xmpp

I remember using clients like pidgin with all my accounts it was a great experience. Now I need to have like 100 apps

BS

The only thing "killed" XMPP was that proprietary made money, XMPP didn't.

Apart from that, it's alive and well. See Conversations for android, Prosody for server.

What are you talking about ?? You need to confirm each other before communicating on XMPP, spam can't get through that !