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Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by littlestymaar on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:03PM (#25634183)
> 2 of the 3 dollars in your pocket have been created out of thin air in 2020.

Dollars in your pocket (not 70%, but 100% of them) have been created out of paper, after a swap of figures on a balance sheet (that you call “thin air”). The number of paper dollar didn't increase by ~70% this year, what did is an economic aggregate called M1 which is a conventional (since the sixties) way of counting certain things. It ISN'T some fundamental value of what-money-is®. Most of the dollar every American own (their bank account, and their savings) have never been part of M1, so this money wasn't affected either.

The monetary system is a complex thing, and the landscape is changing at a fast pace since 2008, which makes it even harder to graps. Unfortunately, most cryptofans didn't even try to understand it, and they keep parroting the almost 100 years-old Autrian critique of central-banking without any kind of cognitive effort: “It's obviously broken, so I'm not going to try understanding it”.

For people without prejudices, interested in understanding the subject, I strongly recommend Perry G Mehrling's lecture on the Economics of Money and banking on coursera: https://www.coursera.org/learn/money-banking

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by keymone on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:04PM (#25635329)
> M1 is the money supply that is composed of physical currency and coin, demand deposits, travelers' checks, other checkable deposits, and negotiable order of withdrawal (NOW) accounts.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/m1.asp

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by gnusty_gnurc on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:05PM (#25634226)
> and they keep parroting the almost 100 years-old Autrian critique of central-banking without any kind of cognitive effort

Just naming something doesn’t invalidate it.

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by yaacov on Monday January 04, 2021 @02:44PM (#25636834)
Naming something tells you what to look for in the academic literature (or even Wikipedia), where you will find in this case that the academic consensus has mostly moved on from the view named here
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by gnusty_gnurc on Monday January 04, 2021 @03:06PM (#25637116)
> the academic consensus

The academic consensus is a proxy for cultural elite; the condescending narcissists and effete.

Nothing reeks of moral superiority like brushing away opposition as "uneducated."

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by blaser-waffle on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @09:17AM (#25645702)
Someone is coming up with these theories, and it usually isn't Joe the Plumber.

Most propaganda & marketing campaigns are coming out of well educated folk. Look into the Heritage Foundation, for example...

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by virgilp on Monday January 04, 2021 @03:15PM (#25637235)
Now I'm not sure if you're still talking about BTC or we switched to vaccines...
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by seibelj on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:08PM (#25634277)
Economics is not a very difficult subject. Most people intuitively grasp supply and demand and other basics.

What mainstream economics has tried to convince us is that hard work is meaningless and infinite money can be printed. Scarcity is a myth. I don't need complex graphs to explain away why printing shitloads of money causes inflation and warps incentives. It's hilarious that Keynesians keep pushing the same garbage and being surprised when people respond by purchasing scarce assets like Bitcoin. What did you expect would happen?

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by whimsicalism on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:15PM (#25634453)
There used to be massive economic crises all the time while people still were using your "intuitive" grasp of economics.

The truth is that inflation expectations were in the hole [0], and the Fed action restored inflation and price stability as per its mandate.

[0]: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T10YIE

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by NikolaeVarius on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:47PM (#25636026)
> Economics is not a very difficult subject

I can't believe its possible to be so wrong.

The history of humans might as well be "getting economics less wrong than last time"

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by seibelj on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:34PM (#25638432)
Economics is not complicated. It is people who try to confuse us by wrapping mismanagement in the veneer of econometrics and "science" that try and make confusing what is actually relatively simple.
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by chalst on Monday January 04, 2021 @02:37PM (#25636744)
Both the US and Japan have ran enormous fiscal surpluses for decades with low inflation. How does your plain, simple intuition account for this gap between what you say must happen and what has happened?
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by hyko on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:51PM (#25635121)
Scarcity is a myth

I know of no serious economic school that espouses this.

Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by NoOneNew on Monday January 04, 2021 @02:03PM (#25636239)
The idea conveyed here is that scarcity being the foundation of value is a myth. No economist believes that just because something happens to be rare makes it inherently valuable. I dont think any real economist really believes that. I think it was a pop culture, snake oil salesman thing that brought it into the zeitgeist. Yet to this day, the myth still prevails and bitcoin is mostly based on that concept. Just because something is "limited" doesn't mean it already has value.
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by SAI_Peregrinus on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @10:12AM (#25646298)
Scarcity is necessary but not sufficient for something to have value. There are plenty of rare things that are worthless. Various forms of toxic waste, for example, aren't particularly common and have negative value.
Re:BadEconomics: Putting $400M of Bitcoin on your company ba... by ashtonkem on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:57PM (#25635222)
Keynes actually had a nice quip for things like Bitcoin:

> The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.