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Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by ike77 on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:05AM (#25633081)
I cannot wrap my head around how that could even be possible?

They mention they had FB representatives physically received at their offices. Couldn't they join those directly?

I expect that if you spent 57 mio $ in any business, the minimum would be to have a direct telephone contact with a sales rep / account manager and to review the relationship quarterly.

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by arp242 on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:13AM (#25633227)
The ~$60million is over 15 years, so it's about $330k/month on average, which is still a very substantial amount of money, but at "Facebook scale" this is pocket money you find in the sofa; their revenue is about $5.8 billion a month. For Facebook, the effect is like refusing to serve a customer their coffee at a coffee shop.

I suppose that's the real problem with these kind of issues; you see the same on e.g. YouTube where even fairly large channels acting in good faith can run in to problems. I don't think there's any malice involved, but it's just too much effort to fix, there are other things going on, and they've got enough money anyway: so why bother?

Even just a few years ago, Facebook's revenue was a lot smaller, so that would explain why they were more outgoing at the time.

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by MereInterest on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:19AM (#25633335)
$330k/month means that you could have multiple employees specifically and solely tasked with managing this one account. It is not a small amount by any means.
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by mhh__ on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:56PM (#25635196)
You could but isn't the whole thesis of the internet-business a la Google or Facebook that it's "automated"?
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by jasonv on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:03PM (#25637980)
Ad buy isn't that automated. Check out vendors like Wordstream -- it stays complicated above the minimal purchase threshholds.
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by jgurewitz on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:23AM (#25633425)
Not true at all. 330k a month might at best get you one representative who has a book of business around 75-100 accounts.
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by ufmace on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:12PM (#25634388)
jgurewitz's post is probably closer to the expectation. $330k/month is a nice chunk of change, but that's their primary revenue that's expected to mostly go to support the rest of their business operations. They're obviously not going to spend all of it on employees to manage that specific account.
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by valuearb on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:19PM (#25642061)
It’s not dollars, it’s CAD, so significantly less.
Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by ike77 on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:20AM (#25633350)
Well yes and no.

FB revenue in 2019 was 70e9$. I also assume that Freebies spending was not constant over the 16 years. So their spending represented almost 1/10000 of FB revenue.

I agree you can probably afford to lose that as a business owner but you probably can't be "meh, whatever" either. I expect that a decision of that scale would have probably be considered by many people / relatively highly ranked employee.

(At least, at that scale, I wouldn't give the authority to two low level support staff and an algorithm to delete 1/10000 of my global revenues...)

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by arp242 on Monday January 04, 2021 @01:16PM (#25635542)
To clarify: I don't think that "meh whatever" is literally what people are saying (to each other or themselves), it's just that there are also other customers, new leads, and all sorts of other things to do, so it's more of a "doesn't matter enough to actually take action"-kind of thing. Or, in short, "meh, whatever" :-)

And there are probably other factors as well, such as poor internal communication, algorithms making poor decisions, and more. But those are all solvable problems and I suspect that "meh whatever"-attitude plays a fairly large role in them not getting fixed at various levels. I mean, if my company left 330k/month on the table then I'd run after that faster than Usain Bolt. But do you think Zuckerberg or other top-level managers at Facebook will?

But I have no insight in any of this, so I'm just guessing really...

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by etskinner on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:11AM (#25633178)
They do say that they no longer have that avenue in the article:

> I have visited their offices and have hosted their representatives at mine. I still cherish my relationships with all of them.

> Over the past few years, however, the lines of communication have gone dark. Instead of our trusted Facebook partners, we found ourselves trying to communicate with 3rd party contractors who didn’t always share our goals and objectives or understand our business. There was little interest in helping us understand new Facebook policies or what we were expected to do to comply with them.

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by PeterisP on Monday January 04, 2021 @12:10PM (#25634325)
This is not the first time I have heard something like "There was little interest in helping us understand new Facebook policies or what we were expected to do to comply with them. " This is generally said when the new policies are intentionally designed to keep out a whole niche of shady behavior, so that complying would require to abandon their core business model; i.e. it's not really expected that they would comply, the policies are explicitly written to stop doing business with them and also every future company like theirs.

If they could work out something with the customer representatives to mostly keep doing what they want to do while fitting within the letter of the policy, that would just indicate a bug in the policy text that needs to be fixed.

Re:After spending $57M on Facebook ads, I was kicked off by martin_a on Monday January 04, 2021 @11:11AM (#25633179)
> They mention they had FB representatives physically received at their offices. Couldn't they join those directly?

Two sentences later it becomes clearly that those contacts have left or whatever and they have been since dealing with whoever was not really involved with Facebook.