Re:USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment
by tda on Monday January 04, 2021 @06:28AM
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I have never come across the use of satisfied for "persuaded by argument or evidence" before. (yes, I had to look it up, not a native speaker)
Is this usage common or just some kind of legalese?
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Its normal - its even used in Computer Science, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boolean_satisfiability_problem
Re:USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment
by physicsguy on Monday January 04, 2021 @10:05AM
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Relatively common in the UK but fairly formal; can be substituted for 'fulfill' pretty much everywhere it's used
"You have satisfied the requirements of a degree and have been granted the award of BSc Physics"
It's not legalese, but it is frequently used in judgments.
I don't think it's common, but it certainly isn't legalese.
It is normal usage.
I guess it's more common in British English (and maybe a bit old-fashioned?).
Edit: google ngrams seems to agree.
As in sentences like "I'm satisfied that you did your best" and "I'm satisfied that it contains no gluten". Do those not work in American or other international English?
According to google ngrams the frequency of 'satisfied that' is 0.00026% in British English and 0.00012% in American English. So only a factor of 2 difference. Interestingly the peak of American usage was in the 1860s (~0.001%), followed by a slow decline, but in Britain there was a small peak around 1920 (~0.00127%), then a higher peak in the 1940s (~0.002%), followed by a rapid decline to the present day.
No, that's the definition that does track perfectly in American English: where it can be substituted by "pleased."
But those sentences are also perfectly meaningful assuming the other sense of "satisfied", which may be what GP meant. Ie. "I am convinced that you did your best" and "I am convinced that it contains no gluten".
Oh, I definitely agree that those example exist on the fuzzy line, but the question was whether they didn't read to Americans.
The more I think about it, the harder the actual barrier between "pleased" and "convinced" is hard to draw.
Re:USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment
by tsimionescu on Monday January 04, 2021 @05:44PM
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It's not that hard to draw it: 'I am satisfied that this man is the one who killed my dog'. Whether you are convinced that this is the man, or whether you are pleased that this particular man killed your dog are clearly different senses.
But would you not be pleased to be certain who killed your dog? It's not a 1:1 concept mapping, but the conceptual space is close enough that the semantic drift of "satisfied" is completely understandable.