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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by powerapple on Monday January 04, 2021 @03:45AM (#25628962)
You have some data in the hands of any government, and once you have a judge's approval, the data will be obtained by the authority regardless where you are. It makes sense that the data should be stored on your devices only. If a criminal is caught with his phone, the data can still be obtained by the police (the same as phone records for example), and it can still be useful for criminal investigation, and normal citizen don't have to worry about their data. It is actually achievable with Google and Apple's approach.

And I think it was a genuine answer. This is a reply to MP, not a random reporter on streets.

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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by jesterson on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:11AM (#25629093)
I believe you're missing the point.

At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here?

I am sure it was a genuine answer - that's why I was surprised. Usually those things are sugar covered.

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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by coldtea on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:29AM (#25629190)
>At first, they explain the information is collected solely for medical reasons. Now they say they can use it as they please. Don't you see fallacy here?

Technically not a fallacy (as there's no logical fault in what they said). Just falling back on a promise to the public.

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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by TeMPOraL on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:55AM (#25629346)
Not only that, it's also the counterexample to calling "slippery slope" a fallacy. After all, slippery slope is not a fallacy if the slope is, in fact, slippery.
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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by hagibborim on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:39AM (#25629250)
It's not a logical fallacy, but it's still a fallacy.
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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by coldtea on Monday January 04, 2021 @04:56AM (#25629353)
You keep using this word "fallacy". I don't think it means what you think it means [1]

(a) a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy.

(b) a misleading or unsound argument.

(c) deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.

(d) Logic. any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.

[1] to paraphrase "The Princess Bride"

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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by hagibborim on Monday January 04, 2021 @06:00AM (#25629775)
This usage fits definitions a, b, and c. This very definition draws a distinction between a 'fallacy' and a 'logical fallacy'
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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by coldtea on Monday January 04, 2021 @06:30AM (#25630009)
>This usage fits definitions a, b, and c.

No, it doesn't.

Government: - "We will use data just for medical purposes"

Government (later): - "Guess what, we lied/we recant: we will use them for other state purposes too".

There's nothing fallacious in (a), (b) or (c) way about either statement or the whole situation.

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Re:Singapore says contact tracing data may be used for crimi... by hungryforcodes on Tuesday January 05, 2021 @09:02PM (#25653947)
It's a brilliant example of doublethink you did there.
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