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Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by saganus on Sunday January 03, 2021 @03:24PM (#25624883)
I might be misunderstanding... but, negarive ROI? I.e, the more they spent on ads, the less sales they got?

Feels like a missed something, as that sounds... counterintuivie.

(Not in any way related to the ad industry so pardon my ignorance)

Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by qeternity on Sunday January 03, 2021 @03:41PM (#25625029)
No. A negative ROI just implies that the ratio of benefit/cost is less than one. If I incur a cost/investment of $100 but it creates value of $200 then I have an ROI of 100%. If this same expenditure instead only produced $80 value then I would have -20% ROI as in the value I’m realizing from my investment is 20% less than the cost of the investment.
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by jacob019 on Monday January 04, 2021 @05:09PM (#25638947)
I would expect:

  ROI > 1 = profitable ad spend
  0 < ROI < 1 = ad spend does not cover its cost
  ROI < 0 = losing money because of the ad spend (the ad is damaging to your brand)
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by alacombe on Sunday January 03, 2021 @04:54PM (#25625602)
Ratio can't be negative, they can either be above of below 1. What you are talking about is "$benefit - $cost", not "$benefit / cost".
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by ddulaney on Sunday January 03, 2021 @05:19PM (#25625769)
ROI is (net benefit)/(cost), where net benefit is (gross benefit - cost). Net benefit can be negative, making ROI negative if cost exceeds benefit. GP was using benefit as a shorthand for net benefit, which can certainly be negative.
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by loeg on Sunday January 03, 2021 @05:44PM (#25625942)
Even gross benefit could conceivably be negative, if the ads are bad enough! (I.e., a terrible ad might prevent a sale.)
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by rocqua on Sunday January 03, 2021 @06:17PM (#25626216)
We tend to call most rations below 1 'negative'. Its technically wrong but most people get what you mean when you say it.
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by ducttapecrown on Sunday January 03, 2021 @07:28PM (#25626674)
Positive and negative are the right words on a log scale :D
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by benjam47 on Monday January 04, 2021 @02:27AM (#25628610)
Ratio can't be negative, but ROI can. Positive ROI is the percentage of the ratio being 1 or higher. Negative ROI is the percentage of the ratio being less than 1.

Or, from a "common sense" perspective, if I spent $1000 on advertising, and earned $100 in revenue from that investment, my ROI is definitely negative.

Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by jmfisch on Sunday January 03, 2021 @03:34PM (#25624965)
As I read it, the amount they were spending on the ads themselves was more than the converted revenue from ad clicks. While the decline was probably (guessing) not linear, spending more on ads led to less than proportionally more revenue. If that had happened I can imagine calling that negative ROI.
Re:Uber discovered they’d been defrauded out of 2/3 of their... by saganus on Sunday January 03, 2021 @03:39PM (#25625014)
That makes more sense!

Thanks