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Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by MattGaiser on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:02PM (#25597089)
Is there some context attached to why this is being done now?
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by throwawaysea on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:13PM (#25597199)
This began from a controversy where Anima Anandkumar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Anandkumar), Director of AI at nvidia, posted a list of people she blocked on Twitter, encouraging her followers to "cancel" them. I wrote more about this and linked to her tweets in a past discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25419871, but Anima Anandkumar has since deleted her tweets and then her account.

One of her targets is Pedro Domingos, who is a professor at the University of Washington and a well-known expert in the space (he authored "The Master Algorithm"). Domingos is also known for being against the infiltration of "woke" culture into academic institutions, because it corrupts the purity of research and introduces political biases. This came up recently because NeurIPS (an AI conference) is going to require an "impact statement" for all submitted research papers, which has raised concerns about political bias at the conference, since researchers will likely include pandering progressive impact statements just to get through the process without controversy. Anandkumar has been one of the prominent activists pushing for NeurIPS to include impact statements, and was formerly involved in a campaign to push NeurIPS to be renamed from NIPS to NeurIPS (https://www.wired.com/story/ai-researchers-fight-over-four-l...).

This new letter to ACM was already discussed on Hacker News (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25575321). The letter includes Domingos as an initial signatory, and the group the letter is being sent to (Communications of the ACM) lists Anima Anandkumar (who tried to cancel him) on their Editorial Board (https://cacm.acm.org/about-communications/editorial-board/).

Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by LandR on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:52PM (#25597595)
Another example where we would all be better off if we just ignore shout'y crazy people on twitter.

It's a cesspool of lunatics.

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Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by happytoexplain on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:35PM (#25597424)
>Do you disagree with the characterization

Surely this is why - there's nothing else subjective in the post.

Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by joshuamorton on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:41PM (#25597478)
There's a few things that vary from editorialization to simple inaccuracy.

> This came up recently because NeurIPS (an AI conference) is going to require an "impact statement" for all submitted research papers, which has raised concerns about political bias at the conference

Is sort of true. It already did require these statements this year. And while there was some "concern", I'd say that most of it was from, like, Domingos and random HN commenters. I don't think there was any serious concern about this. But that's mostly semantic I admit.

I also think that

> Director of AI at nvidia, posted a list of people she blocked on Twitter, encouraging her followers to "cancel" them.

Is a mischaracterization. See the long thread here[0] in reply to this user, where I ask for the specific actions Anandkumar took that were problematic. Despite a long conversation with multiple people, the only concrete thing anyone brought up that was "problematic" appears to have been HN editorialization, and not actually a thing Anandkumar herself said.

The context about this being related to Domingos and Anandkumar's disagreement is all almost certainly true. But for example, I don't know what in particular GP means when they say "Anandkumar (who tried to cancel him)". I doubt you do either, and if pressed, I'm not sure that GP could give a definition that should elicit concern. They had a disagreement on twitter. She's since apologized for making anyone feel uncomfortable. He has not, despite calling people "deranged", accusing Anandkumar of watching too much internet porn, and various other things.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25576053

Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by pawsed on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:08PM (#25597148)
Seeing the name of Pedro domingos and how he got cancelled for expressing his views in the recent incident involving Google and timnit gebru, makes me think it's probably related to that.
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by softwaredoug on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:20PM (#25597274)
How specifically was he canceled? I ask because googling him he seems gainfully employed... are his papers being rejected? Did something else happened?
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by pseudalopex on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:19PM (#25597267)
What consequences has he suffered? It looks like he's still employed. He's still tweeting.
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by astura on Thursday December 31, 2020 @05:45PM (#25598046)
Can you elaborate?
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Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:16PM (#25597221)
Did you just guess at what it's about out of thin air with absolutely no context of your own?

Because it's very clearly not about GitHub and branch names - it's the ongoing thing with Pedro Domingos.

If you don't know, best to not just guess especially when it's a contentious subject where people are already clearly super frought. That's probably why you got down-voted heavily.

Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by hannob on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:08PM (#25597151)
So you think github renaming its default branch restricts their freedom of speech? I'm confused...
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by africanboy on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:31PM (#25597389)
IMO it doesn't.

But if it becomes the default for the 56 million GitHub developers, is it really freedom of speech?

I don't disagree with renaming the default branch and I've been using the name develop as the default branch for 2 years now, but I am still not sure that changing it globally on a global platform qualifies as "good behaviour".

Edit:

If you disagree, can you please write a comment stating why you do?

It would be very helpful, if I am saying something obviously wrong I would love to understand why.

Thanks!

Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by pc86 on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:24PM (#25597316)
This is the only comment of yours I see in this thread.
Re:Open letter from computer scientists to ACM opposing canc... by MattGaiser on Thursday December 31, 2020 @04:34PM (#25597414)
The comment was edited. It was originally about Github renaming master to main.