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Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:18PM (#25573627)
If you leave the door of your home open and I can just enter and walk out with your TV, it's negligence on your side and your insurance most likely won't cover you for the damages, but I'm still the felon here and your negligence will not absolve me of the charges I will face since I'm not allowed by law to enter and take private property even if it's unsecured.
Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by Nextgrid on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:09PM (#25574217)
The difference is that the TV can not be used to harm anyone else, unlike computing equipment that can be (and is) used to attack others.

In your example let's replace the TV with a weapon and I bet you will be still found liable for not taking appropriate precautions to secure your weapon like keeping it in a locked safe.

Similarly, most online crime uses lots of compromised machines as its infrastructure. Making their owners/operators liable would actually add an incentive to not buy/operate insecure devices which in turn would put pressure on manufacturers to make secure products, otherwise customers will be afraid to buy them if it can get them in legal trouble.

Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by interviewer0000 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @04:17PM (#25575153)
I just wanted to +1 the validity of the liability claim. At least where I live, that is absolutely the case[1] that you are liable for crimes committed with a gun you did not properly secure.

[1] https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.360

Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by anigbrowl on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:13PM (#25574280)
This is true in many jurisdictions and a valid cybersecurity metaphor.
Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by pixl97 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @07:22PM (#25576806)
And if they steal a gun from your house? Or a gallon of gas for your lawnmower they use to burn down your neighbour's house?
Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by tomc1985 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @06:02PM (#25576141)
> The difference is that the TV can not be used to harm anyone else

So what happens if I drop that TV on top of someone else's head?

Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by curiousllama on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @04:28PM (#25575265)
Yes, and if you (negligently) leave your door open and someone walks in and steals MY television, then you're liable.

The point is that a basic breach like this should be treated as negligence.

Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by drzaiusapelord on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:58PM (#25574083)
Or more closer to infosec, I think, is that I bought a house and it had 'cheap' locks that anyone with 10 minutes and a lockpick can open. Sure, maybe I should have considered some harder core stuff, but in the end thats what I have and what is practical for 100 good reasons. The same way corporate IT can only be so secure. So no one is really leaving the door open, its just with enough effort you can break any lock.

Which puts this further on the attacker. The attacker can't claim that I should have nicer things and he couldn't help himself. There's way too much victim blaming in information security.

Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by ampdepolymerase on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:12PM (#25574264)
Try living in some of the African states. Good luck using cheap locks and not securing your house.
Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by jacquesm on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @03:53PM (#25574839)
The norm in plenty of places where there is a big difference between rich and poor both in degree and in number is that the rich will have private security. Locks are really not going to be worth much as protection at all in those situations.
Re:Germany: 'Colossal' cyberattack knocks out Funke news group by nostromo on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @06:41PM (#25576473)
> it's negligence on your side and your insurance most likely won't cover you for the damages

Fun fact: this isn’t true in the US. For example: you can leave your car unlocked and with keys in it, and if it’s stolen you’ll still be covered by insurance.