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Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by ddingus on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @12:44AM (#25567102)
Absolutely. I had no idea tape was being pushed to these levels!

Crazy good tech accomplishment right there.

In a way, I am somehow comforted. Tape remaining relevant kind of dropped off my radar. Good to see.

317Gb / square inch AND 15km/h transport speed? That is nuts fast.

Wonder how robust it really is? Of course at those densities and potential transfer rates there is ample room for error recovery.

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by paulmd on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @04:40AM (#25568220)
It has never really entered the public consciousness since it's not a consumer-facing technology but tape development has continued apace. LTO-9 should be hitting the market very soon and supports up to 45TB per tape (compressed capacity, 18TB raw).

Not quite sure where IBM's numbers here come from, their previous numbers don't match up to the progression of the LTO tape series' capacity. Maybe they are citing "research numbers" that they can do in a lab but aren't production-ready yet. I would certainly assume they are citing "compressed" data figured there.

But certainly tape has continued to progress much faster than most people would have imagined. Big tape libraries are still a thing in certain environments and they work very well, there is no better solution for bulk cold storage.

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:15AM (#25568434)
> LTO-9 should be hitting the market very soon and supports up to 45TB per tape (compressed capacity, 18TB raw).

LTO is cool and all but is the "compressed capacity" number really something to repeat with a straight face? The tape holds 18TB, we don't need to pretend it's anything else.

> But certainly tape has continued to progress much faster than most people would have imagined.

Mostly it has. But I'm somewhat worried about the future after the sudden late-game announcement that LTO-9 would have a 50% capacity improvement instead of the usual doubling.

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by jabl on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @05:31AM (#25568528)
> LTO is cool and all but is the "compressed capacity" number really something to repeat with a straight face?

No, but it's been the standard in the tape industry for decades. Probably dates back to the first tape controllers that had builtin compression (so compression didn't tax the main cpu).

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by ACAVJW4H on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @10:03AM (#25570320)
I am trying to find something what would be make compression done by the tape controller favorable. Maybe it somehow makes the recovery more fault tolerant in the long run? Because it knows about the intricacies of the medium. Just guessing, I know nothing about tape storage
Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by ddingus on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @11:21AM (#25571307)
My first LTO drive installation was on a multi user SGI CAD application server. This system did all the compute and data management for roughly 30 users. I/O streaming was easy and efficient.

IRIX allowed for live file system backups and the drive doing compression meant all that happening with negligible user performance impact.

Was literally set it and forget it, aside from tape rotation into off site storage.

Compression would have had an impact.

We don't do multi user app serving much today, so maybe a smart drive has less benefit. But it mattered then. 2000's era.

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by guenthert on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:35PM (#25573131)
The announcement [1] is of lab results, so yes "research numbers". A commercial product might be years out (if ever developed). This is not meant to belittle the achievement (which is awesome), but to clarify what has been done and what to expect.

[1] https://www.fujifilm.com/news/n201216_01.html

Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by ece on Wednesday December 30, 2020 @11:14PM (#25589512)
Amazon Glacier is tape-based, so anyone certainly can get access to tape for backup purposes.
Re:Fujifilm Created a Magnetic Tape That Can Store 580 Terab... by kazinator on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @02:51PM (#25574012)
That transport speed has to just be for rewinding and fast-forwarding. If the terabyte you want is the 580th terabyte, you need a quick way to skip past terabytes 1 through 579.

The hardware is not going to read 300 Gb/in density at bicycle speeds. :)