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Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by ghaff on Monday December 28, 2020 @02:01PM (#25562067)
Interestingly, AWS and Google weren't really B2B plays initially either. But AWS in particular recognized that if AWS was to be as successful as they had ambitions for, the were going to have to hire an enterprise sales force and do other things related to supporting enterprises.

Apple toyed with becoming more enterprisey at various times but their ultimate success came mostly from BYOD and enterprises proving Mac options because that's what many of their employees wanted. They do have business sales but it's still more of a pull than a push thing.

Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday December 28, 2020 @06:04PM (#25564349)
>Interestingly, AWS and Google weren't really B2B plays initially either

AWS was nothing if not a "B2B play" from the beginning. Having developed their own expertise with data centers and distributed computing, Amazon proceeded to sell that to other businesses.

Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by ghaff on Tuesday December 29, 2020 @01:23PM (#25572977)
What I was saying (poorly) is that they were not a sale to enterprise IT business.
Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by bradknowles on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:45PM (#25566174)
AWS is a company that Amazon bought, which was already providing the S3 service. Unlike what most people think, Amazon did not take the stuff they were doing internally and spin that out as a separate service.

In fact, as far as AWS is concerned, Amazon is just another big customer — and not even the biggest.

Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by miniman1337 on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:57PM (#25566560)
That is untrue... did you just make all of this up?
Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by madeofpalk on Monday December 28, 2020 @02:10PM (#25562167)
Apple is still a very small and (relatively) focused company compared to the others.
Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by ghaff on Monday December 28, 2020 @02:22PM (#25562282)
That is also true. Buy I think they also recognized that they didn't really need to cater to enterprises to any significant degree in order to sell to them directly or indirectly. And in a way that probably wouldn't have been possible 20 years ago when probably most employees took the IT-managed PC they were given and lived with it.
Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by filmgirlcw on Monday December 28, 2020 @03:38PM (#25562955)
Exactly. Apple benefited tremendously, especially after the Intel transition, from executives and younger employees showing up to the workplace with a shiny new MacBook Pro and just expecting it to work on the network. It started with those two groups and once IT found a way to support turn systems — or at least get them on the network/give them access to the file share — Apple didn’t need to do a lot of the glad handing for enterprise sales. If the CEO wants to use his Mac at work, IT will capitulate. And that in turn dovetailed with the broader BYOD movement with computers and phones.

Now, Xserve didn’t work for a lot of reasons, but Apple exited the server market, and even stopped making the Server variant of macOS (even though it was just a handful of utilities at the end), largely because I think it realized two things:

1. It could never truly compete with Linux (and to a lesser degree, IIS) without making significant tradeoffs that are anathema to Apple (lowering prices significantly, giving up usage control, and decoupling vertically integrated hardware/software).

2. The cost of truly making a B2B play would require resource investments and commitments into an area Apple doesn’t need to care about and that would come at the expense of areas that are both more profitable and less of a PITA.

Apple is the richest company in the world and amongst the most profitable tech companies, why would they bother with enterprise when they can allow partners to deal with the integration side and focus on doing their stuff their way.

(There is one notable instance where Apple embraced enterprise, and that was when Apple added Exchange support in iPhone OS and admittedly, this was a huge deal and was ultimately a fatal blow to Blackberry. But it’s the exception that almost proves the rule. Apple added support for Exchange but left it up to others to figure out the broader MDM situations.)

Having said all that, I have always been surprised Apple hasn’t offered some sort of build/test service themselves and integrated it into TestFlight. It could be a driver for the all-important services revenue (in my imagination, the annual developer fee would cover a certain number of build minutes a month and then additional minutes would cost money). I have to think that such a solution is either in the works or that Apple looked at the support challenges and just decided to let other people do it at scale for them.

The thing is that much of the cloud is very much a commodity and Apple has successfully made its products and services anything but a commodity.

Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by ghaff on Monday December 28, 2020 @05:14PM (#25563882)
>(There is one notable instance where Apple embraced enterprise, and that was when Apple added Exchange support in iPhone OS and admittedly, this was a huge deal and was ultimately a fatal blow to Blackberry. But it’s the exception that almost proves the rule. Apple added support for Exchange but left it up to others to figure out the broader MDM situations.)

Yep. There have been a couple of specific things. Exchange and now MDM profiles. Probably a few others. But minor tweaks to remove major enterprise blockers. Small investments to remove complete showstoppers is just common sense.

>Apple hasn’t offered some sort of build/test service themselves and integrated it into TestFlight

Seems pretty logical. Who knows? It's certainly the trend with container platforms generally.

Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by dtech on Monday December 28, 2020 @06:40PM (#25564696)
Enterprise != B2B. The only customers for AWS are businesses and always have been, end-users don't rent VMs.
Re:How AWS Added Apple Mac Mini Nodes to EC2 by bradknowles on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:48PM (#25566193)
I am an end user. And I rent VMs on AWS.

I may not be the typical end user, but I’m also not a business.