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Re:Raspberry Pi PCIe Devices by viraptor on Monday December 28, 2020 @06:51AM (#25558508)
> On-board graphics, audio and NICs usually are shitty anyway.

Onboard graphics, audio and NICs are perfectly functional and more than enough for most people. Both in work environments and at homes. They've not been in a shitty category for years now. They won't break any records, but they will display websites at high resolution, play clear music, and provide more bandwidth than the link to the internet can handle.

Just look at the number of Lenovo's AIOs (and similar solitons) in offices.

> Full USB-C (or ongoing USB-4) means Thunderbolt which is PCIe.

USB 2 is a fraction of the price. (And power and board space)

Re:Raspberry Pi PCIe Devices by cubano on Monday December 28, 2020 @08:34AM (#25559060)
I really love the pushback here. Yes how awesome it is you are privileged enough to always be able to acquire the best of the best and look down on other "inferior" devices.

But 99% of the rest of us just need things that work and allow us access to good performance.

Re:Raspberry Pi PCIe Devices by qwerty456127 on Monday December 28, 2020 @10:00AM (#25559649)
I actually use everything built-in because what I use are a decade-old business laptop, an office desktop and a RaspberryPi. But going to buy a good desktop (as I used to have 2 decades ago) I would rather buy a good mainboard with as many PCIe slots as possible (and no built-in devices if this were possible), the cheapest discrete cards for everything and upgrade them as I see fit. I doubt the cheapest/used discrete card for anything is going to be worse or more expensive than a built-in non-removable version.
Re:Raspberry Pi PCIe Devices by qwerty456127 on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:52AM (#25559586)
> play clear music

Then why are there so many audio hats, let alone USB audio dongles used even in the RaspberryPi world?

Re:Raspberry Pi PCIe Devices by MisterTea on Monday December 28, 2020 @12:00PM (#25560796)
I believe the GP's post was more general in proposing PCIe attachment. Though you are correct is asserting that stock Pi audio is junk.