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Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by contingencies on Saturday December 26, 2020 @05:41PM (#25547009)
By that logic you shouldn't engage in conversation or consume any media whatsoever.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Saturday December 26, 2020 @05:51PM (#25547084)
No, by that logic you should just be careful about what you consume, avoiding people trying to tell a story.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by pmiller2 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:07PM (#25547187)
How would you even literally describe events on the news without telling a story?
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:15PM (#25547243)
“Yesterday, Airbnb went public at a price of $X. It has revenue of $Y. It was founded in year Z...”

Versus

“In 2008, the genius Brian Chesky woke up on a frigid San Francisco morning with a crick in his neck and looked out on the fog. He had just had a terrible experience with an evil multinational hotel chain...”

(Just a hyperbolic example, not meant to be all encompassing)

It’s less of a measurable outcome and more of a goal and methodology.

Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by pmiller2 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:40PM (#25547408)
None of that is news. That's an almanac entry.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by contingencies on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:14PM (#25547232)
Buddhist monks were traditionally encouraged to begin all teachings with a Pali language equivalent of Thus I have heard... https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.183.th...
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by flyinglizard on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:15PM (#25547235)
AP and Reuters routinely do that.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by pmiller2 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:38PM (#25547393)
Really? You think these aren't "stories"?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-migran...

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-politi...

No cherry picking whatsoever here. These are just the first links on the respective news services' "top news" pages.

Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by flyinglizard on Saturday December 26, 2020 @07:34PM (#25547687)
“Routinely” does not mean “always”, especially as their own consumer facing news feeds are not the same as their news syndication.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by pmiller2 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @07:45PM (#25547751)
You can redefine "routinely" to mean just about anything. I "routinely" get my car's oil changed about once every 6 months. All I did was go straight to their site and pick out literally the first link in a list, and 2/2 were most definitely stories.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by srckinase123 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @05:54PM (#25547102)
Conversations are different from documentaries in that they require two or more people, whereas documentaries is someone talking at you.

As for media, there are different mediums of media that allow for more trickery. For example, if a documentary says so-and-so did X, it would take some while after viewing the documentary to check if so-and-so really did X. You are putting faith with the people creating the documentary to tell you the truth. Whereas, good non-fiction books lay claims with sources to back the claims, so you can immediately go to the source to see if the claim is really true.

Also, video can be a very emotionally salient medium, thus may impede your more rational modes of thinking.

Note: I am not against documentaries, nor is this a take on the Khashoggi documentary.

Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by contingencies on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:11PM (#25547212)
The less comically baby-with-bathwater response to the realisation that "media is not balanced truth", is to develop critical faculties for media consumption and to cross-check new information with additional evidence such as your own experience before acceptance. This is hardly a new realisation and was already explored in ancient times including by the Buddhist Kalama Sutta[0] (~450BCE) and the Chinese Mohists[1] (~400BCE), etc.

[0] https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kesamutti_Sutta [1] https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-logic-language/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohism

Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by CerealFounder on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:00PM (#25547142)
This isnt even true. A conversation is just two people presenting their own versions of an idea to you (like documentaries). Sure the conversation can morph the ideas you take away, but in the end if you're worried about the packaging of an idea or information literally any conversation with an "other" is subject to rhetoric like any other medium.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by srckinase123 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:04PM (#25547170)
Sure, conversation is subject to rhetoric, but what I am saying is that you are able (insofar as you are capable) of trying to unravel the rhetoric, as the conversation involves you and another person. Thus, you have more power in conversation. Whereas, documentaries is more passive. But if you are referring to conversations that you are viewing as a passive observer, then I totally agree with you.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by wavefunction on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:27PM (#25547303)
I can't speak for you but I think about what a documentary is showing me and consider it against what else I know, just like having a conversation with someone.
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by curuinor on Saturday December 26, 2020 @05:56PM (#25547115)
this was the argument that Socrates, according to Plato, said that the egyptian god Thoth made against doing writing!
Re:An Oscar Winner Made a Khashoggi Documentary. Streaming S... by srckinase123 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @06:05PM (#25547173)
Interesting is that in the Phaedrus?