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Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by bumby on Saturday December 26, 2020 @04:06PM (#25546458)
The main counter argument I usually hear when this is brought up is that many of these animals have been bred for hundreds or thousands of years to be dependent on humans.

To your point about kill shelters, I think the humane society has largely helped fixed this. There was an article on HN this week that claimed shelter killings was reduced from 20% down to 2% based on the efforts of the humane society since the 1970s.

I may be biased as a dog lover, but most of your arguments seem to be based on bad owners. If we can stop bad ownership we should do so but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. I don’t think bad parenting existing should be an excuse for abstaining from having children either, unless we regress to a misanthropic world view.

Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by hunter-gatherer on Saturday December 26, 2020 @04:24PM (#25546558)
Thanks for this. In college I worked at the Humane Society and helped with the dogs. Very hard work. After working there I realized how most "breeders" are just random blokes with an AKC pure bread who get some dogs together. Some real breeders who monitor trace genetics and try to make the breed better exist, but these dogs usually cost a lot of money, and have specific purposes and customers. Sometimes I wonder if dog ownership should require a license and semi hefty fee (make it more a kin to adoption). But I am not sure...

Disclaimer: I have a dog.

Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by tayo42 on Saturday December 26, 2020 @04:32PM (#25546604)
Yeah most problems do stem from bad owners. But idk how to enforce good dog and cat ownership? At least with kids we have cps even if it isn't perfect and if a crappy kids grows up into a terrible adult we have law enforcement.

But what can you do about terrible owners? Are we going to take dogs away from owners that don't clean up poop or how do you handle communities that don't think their dog needs a leash.

Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by bumby on Sunday December 27, 2020 @09:25AM (#25551225)
Most municipalities already have laws against this. Hell, where I live there’s a law that can escalate to a 3rd degree felony if your dog looks like it can get out of its fence. What I suspect is an unsatisfying answer for you is that they aren’t enforced because they really aren’t a priority.

That’s unfortunately a part of living in a society. We can’t always agree on what priorities are worth our limited resources. We’ve generally agreed children are a priority and choose to enforce those laws more often. For every person annoyed by bad dog owners, there’s somebody who annoyed by laws not being enforced against noise pollution, poorly parked cars, yard maintenance etc etc. My only suggestion is to get engaged to try and get them enforced if you feel it’s a major problem

Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by echelon on Saturday December 26, 2020 @04:54PM (#25546736)
> But idk how to enforce good dog and cat ownership?

We have laws against animal abuse. Some of these laws have strong teeth and can put abusers behind bars for years.

I have two dogs, and they're both incredibly happy. They enrich my life, and I do the same to theirs'. I don't want the state telling me I can't have dogs. That's a kind of liberal fascism that goes against the grain of this country's ethos.

There are dogs suffering in shelters, but there is suffering all around, everywhere you look. Orphan children, homeless people, cancer. If you start passing laws against everything, we'll wind up living in a bubble.

Find negative externalities and tax them if you want a better way of dealing with problems. Don't ban dog ownership.

Re:Mass die-off of birds in south-western US 'caused by star... by bobsil1 on Sunday December 27, 2020 @01:07AM (#25549229)
Let the domesticated variants die out, wolves will continue.