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Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by sneak on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:39PM (#25521934)
This is disappointing and sad. The more people who do this, the more difficult it becomes for those who don't.

You can't download even free apps from the App Store without providing an email address, phone number, and street address (to get an Apple ID). The App Store app also sends the mac's hardware serial number to Apple when you launch it, associating it with your identity in the logs. The email and phone required are verified so you can't just make some shit up.

This means that to get any apps from the App Store, even free ones, you must be thoroughly de-anonymized.

Not caring about privacy because you have nothing to hide is like not caring about free speech because you have nothing to say.

Developers should reject the App Store on customer privacy grounds alone. When this becomes the sole method of distributing apps on the mac, as it is on iOS, the world becomes a much worse place, as then the US government had permanent access without a warrant to every app you use.

Please don't contribute to building that world.

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by s3cur3 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:45PM (#25522008)
Is the implication that I, a random guy across the internet, am a better steward of your personally identifying information than Apple? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that definitely doesn't match my own intuitions.
Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by sneak on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:50PM (#25522067)
The implication is that, regardless of price, making the App Store more useful and valuable harms privacy for everyone, as it reduces the ability of people to resist Apple restricting features or functionality to App Store only, as they have already done with VPN apps using the NetworkExtension API. These cannot be installed outside of the App Store at all, even self-built ones.

There is also the issue of surveillance. Apple processed warrantless FISA surveillance orders for 30,000 users last year, per their own transparency report.

It's possible that people don't want Apple (and by extension the FBI and US military, with no probable cause or warrant required) knowing the apps they purchase and use, or when, or on which devices.

Being App Store only prohibits that, and requires that your users be subject to this surveillance.

It's the same issue with posting to Instagram, for example: deciding to donate free content to Facebook there makes the product more attractive to Facebook's users and makes it harder for small businesses to opt out of using Facebook's ad business. Decisions like this make the whole world worse.

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by floatingatoll on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:31AM (#25526169)
Your reply doesn’t address the question asked.

During a software license purchase for macOS, you either need to provide your PII to Apple, or to an indie developer.

In your opinion, is it safer to provide your PII to an indie developer than to Apple as part of such a purchase?

Assuming that is the case, is your objection to Apple having your PII then extended to all other large-volume payment processors such as Shopify, Stripe, Amazon, and PayPal as well?

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by mirthflat83 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @04:42PM (#25522562)
Lmao. Might as well solely accept bitcoin to protect the user’s privacy. That would be a fantastic user experience.
Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by webmobdev on Thursday December 24, 2020 @07:13AM (#25526856)
Absolutely. Many users / developers are forgetting that they are the ones who add value to a platform by creating for it. And now they are being asked to PAY for the "privilege" of doing so!? It's outrageous.

(Please don't let the downvotes stop you from expressing these views again and again. You are not a minority on this.)

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by larrysalibra on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @08:40PM (#25524338)
I’m not sure why this comment is being downvoted. It is a relatively accurate description of how network effects work and the implications to those trying to resist those network effects and an opinion based on that. No need to downvote people expressing an opinion you don’t agree with!
Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by amelius on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @04:48PM (#25522616)
Plus some things like sexual content are banned from the App Store.

The App Store might be safe and all, just like Disneyland is a safe place for kids, but I personally prefer the real world.

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by orf on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:52PM (#25522083)
> Developers should reject the App Store on customer privacy grounds alone

Consumers go where it's most convenient, and sellers follow them. Anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by sneak on Friday December 25, 2020 @01:42AM (#25534749)
Not paying 30% (or 15%) for credit card processing that goes for 2-3% in the industry is pretty damn convenient, if you ask me.
Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by Mindwipe on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:31PM (#25523950)
> Consumers go where it's most convenient, and sellers follow them. Anything else is wishful thinking at best.

Objectively that isn't the Mac App Store in general, thankfully Apple's incompetence in the user experience has held them back in further damaging society by centralising application installation further.

Re:Going All in on the Mac App Store by globalproctd on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @03:45PM (#25522004)
... you can install apps on Mac without going through the App Store.