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Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by SamuelAdams on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:36AM (#25507233)
This should be fun for a service like Twitch. What happens when a streamer on their platform starts playing a game with a copywritten song playing on the game's radio or background? Many times the streamers themselves are not aware that this is a crime.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by jonwalch on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:37AM (#25507251)
This is already a problem on Twitch. Cyberpunk 2077 claimed to have a "streamer mode" where no copywritten music was played, but they didn't actually ship the feature.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by dharmab on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:40AM (#25507290)
Correction: They shipped the feature at launch but it had a bug where some copyrighted material was missed.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by yakz on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:54AM (#25507510)
If you "ship" a feature that only works if it always works and it doesn't always work, does that really count?
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by edoceo on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:02AM (#25507603)
I think you can still tick the "shipped" box even if you have bugs with subjective levels of severity. Otherwise, I'd never ship :/
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by 1f60c on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:10AM (#25507699)
Yes? Bugs make it to prod all the time.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by yakz on Monday December 28, 2020 @09:15AM (#25559294)
In this case, I don't see it as a 'bug' though... I would see something like not playing music at all or playing the same unencumbered song on repeat as a bug.

Playing only a single song just long enough to earn a copyright strike means this feature doesn't exist. Instead, it's an implementation of a checkbox on a settings screen that enables some side effects that are not what the text next to the checkbox describes.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by FeepingCreature on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:39AM (#25508088)
To be fair, usually bugs don't expose people to criminal liability.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by DanBC on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:59AM (#25508390)
> Many times the streamers themselves are not aware that this is a crime.

It's not a crime. What criminal law is being broken?

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by dharmab on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:21PM (#25508667)
Games include two types of music:

Original music is created by the game creators and streaming rights are included in the software EULA.

Licensed music is created by third party artists and is usually not included in the software EULA because the music artist/publisher does not grant that type of license to the game creator/publisher. A gamer streaming gameplay that includes the copyrighted song will trigger automatic copyright protection on the streaming service they use and is subject to DMCA takedowns.

Modern games often include a "streamer mode" which replaces or mutes the licensed music.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by DanBC on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:04PM (#25509853)
Sure, but the claim being made was that this is a crime. In many places there are two types of law civil and criminal.

In the US copyright infringement is unlawful but it's almost always civil law.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by dharmab on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:09PM (#25510603)
The DMCA has both civil and criminal penalties. The criminal penalties include fines and jail time.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by DanBC on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @03:37PM (#25510941)
Yes, but again: why is this criminal and not civil infringement?

Can you point to the section of DMCA that you think turns this into a criminal offence rather than just civil infringement?

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:37AM (#25507253)
Someone spins up a Twitch clone in a more friendly jurisdiction.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by judge2020 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:41AM (#25507313)
Just like GDPR, doing business in a country subjects you to the laws of said country regardless of where you are incorporated. If this wasn’t the case, a lot of companies would only have to follow the laws of Panama or the Cayman Islands.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by hoistbypetard on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:52AM (#25507479)
> doing business in a country

Doesn't that require having employees in, having facilities in, taking payments in or making payments to residents of said country?

Most of the streaming services this legislation is aimed at don't rise to that bar relative to the USA, as low as it is.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by judge2020 on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:13AM (#25507736)
A twitch alternative would most certainly like to make money from the US audience.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by cookieswumchorr on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:03AM (#25507610)
taking payments is here they can intervene, by forcing payment systems to block those platforms. Good thing we have crypto
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by pluc on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:40AM (#25507291)
twit.ch?
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by JorgeGT on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:53AM (#25507483)
Already owned by Com Laude ("Strategic Domain Name Solutions & Brand Protection") so Twitch probably covered their bases here.
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by pluc on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:00PM (#25508396)
Wouldn't have posted it if it was available ;)
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by ddingus on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @11:07AM (#25507655)
swit.ch
Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by JetSpiegel on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @09:05PM (#25513632)
https://twitch.amazon/

Register a company in Brazil!

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by jariel on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @12:11PM (#25508534)
It will eventually be sorted out in the contracts whereby the games get licences for whatever content: music performed in-game is 'part of the experience' etc. and/or because they are playing a game with the music artists will claim that it's an original work in it's totality.

Twitch already has mostly DRM aware content creators - I hear them talking about 'rights' quite a lot in their streams.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by boobsbr on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:07AM (#25516714)
My issue with these copyright strikes on streams is: who will actually watch a stream just to listen to a song played in the background of a videogame with all the game sound effects and dialog and streamers talking?

It's the worst listening experience ever. It's much easier to just go to YouTube and listen to the song uploaded by an official channel.

Re:Tillis Releases Text of Bipartisan Legislation to Fight I... by SpicyLemonZest on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @10:40AM (#25507287)
This law requires that the service as a whole be primarily designed for or marketed to the piracy market. So there’s no real grey area, we can be confident it won’t apply to Twitch.