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Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by saagarjha on Sunday December 20, 2020 @09:15PM (#25491499)
> We were unable to retrieve these binaries from flash memory, as we did not have access to a jailbreak for iPhone 11 running iOS 13.5.1.

It’s ironic that the exploit is able to plant arbitrary code on an up-to-date device and yet the owner of the phone can’t introspect their phone to see it themselves because they don’t know how to bypass the protections :/

Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by rmrfstar on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:58AM (#25493798)
These attacks would be a lot less dangerous if they couldn't get on-disk persistence. Just reboot your phone, and you're good to go. Only creeps like NSO who spy on normal people need that degree of persistence. Everyone else can just hang out in ram on some always-on server.

Vendors need to make it easier to verify the integrity of persistent firmware, in an offline fashion. It will dramatically increase the cost of persistence, which is the best way to put these thugs out of business.

Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by kmfpl on Monday December 21, 2020 @09:04AM (#25494999)
>“Just reboot your phone, and you're good to go”

Doesn’t really work like that. First of all, when would you reboot your phone? Once per day? Once per hour? Every five minutes? Regardless, these attacks are incredibly advanced, remember they require zero interaction from the user.

Even if you rebooted constantly and the exploit lacked a persistence vector, they would still be able to exploit you whenever they want. There are literally no good defense mechanisms against zero-click attacks. The only effective one being turning off your phone forever.

Something like these exploits takes 1-2 minutes maximum to achieve full data exfiltration. This means you’re not safe even if you reboot every five minutes.

So preventing persistence vectors is not really useful against these types of attacks. Persistence is more of a “comfort feature” for attackers, is not really something essential.

Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by drvdevd on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:03PM (#25496812)
What about also removing your SIM card and disabling iMessage or otherwise firewalling all traffic to Apple?
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by saagarjha on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:22PM (#25497030)
Why not just keep the device off and stop using it? That would stop all attacks!
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by kmfpl on Monday December 21, 2020 @05:11PM (#25500230)
Normally bugs in these types of attacks target daemons that are always connected even if not logged onto iMessage or even if you disable iMessage. Or at least this was the case with previously known bugs.
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by saagarjha on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:24PM (#25497053)
On-disk persistence (“untethered”) is actually fairly rare. Why do that when it leaves behind evidence and you can just remotely run the exploit again to hack the device?
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by bzb6 on Monday December 21, 2020 @06:13AM (#25493863)
They should’ve sent the phones to Apple to investigate.
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by saagarjha on Monday December 21, 2020 @01:30PM (#25497796)
Perhaps they did?
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by hda111 on Monday December 21, 2020 @01:35PM (#25497854)
Why would Apple investigate? This costs thousands of dollars and Apple isn’t a forensics service provider.
Re:Journalists Hacked with Suspected NSO Group iMessage ‘Zer... by alpb on Tuesday December 22, 2020 @02:31AM (#25503881)
News like "zero-click iMessage to root exploit" costs Apple millions of dollars as it's a PR nightmare and erodes the trust they spent years (+tens of millions of dollars) building. Those "thousands of dollars" they would spend on forensics would be their least concern.

Imagine The Guardian, The New York Times and several other top journals covered this story with a sensational title like "Our Journalists' iPhones are hacked remotely". There's no going back from that.