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Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by thaumasiotes on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:14AM (#25415333)
What costs more, $30,000 and 6 months, or $30,000 and 48 months?
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by Cthulhu_ on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:22AM (#25415394)
Depends; do you get 48 months worth of education in 6 months? I doubt it. A lot of learning also takes time to process, to settle in.

That said, half my 4 year software engineering education was hands-on, figure-it-out-yourself stuff; a year of internships and a ton of group projects.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by nicoburns on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:29AM (#25415438)
48 months of education still costs more, even if you get more benefit from it. And if you can't afford the time commitment then it doesn't matter how much benefit you might derive from it as it's not an available option.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by FeepingCreature on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:17AM (#25417759)
> Depends; do you get 48 months worth of education in 6 months? I doubt it.

Depending on your university, focused education vs scattershot education, this actually sounds about right.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by jcelerier on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:22AM (#25415389)
You can get a degree for muuuuch less in europe. In france it'd be something like 1k€ at most over your whole post-high-school studies unless you go to specialized art school or something like that.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by Galanwe on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:30AM (#25415444)
(Did all my studies in France at public schools (university).)

I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library. That would be 300x5=1500€ (~2k$) for a complete engineering degree.

Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :)

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by jcelerier on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:42AM (#25415918)
> I think the fee was 300€/year, most of it was headed toward paying mandatory access to the university library.

In Bordeaux it's ~200€ for licence and ~300€ for master, but yeah, lowballed that a little bit.

But ! Note that in France almost 40% of university students get the state grant (https://www.campusmatin.com/vie-campus/experience-etudiante/...) - and thus don't even have to pay the inscription fee.

> Lets not forget that all this is paid with tax money though. You will sort of pay back these studies when paying your taxes once working :)

People in the US pay income tax, too - https://www.companow.com/us-vs-france-where-do-you-pay-the-m...

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by jokethrowaway on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:05AM (#25416316)
In Italy, it depends on how much money you have. Under a certain threshold you don't pay anything, most people pay something, I had to pay full price which was around 3k per year.

Also, forget having a campus, classrooms looks like they haven't been renovated in 200 years, you need your own computers because labs are too outdated, professors salaries are a joke, professors keep mixing their personal interests / companies with university - basically getting free work out of students for their businesses, majority of students move out of Italy after graduating because high taxes and bureaucracy make it impossible for profitable business to start up (estimated 250k€ in taxes invested in education lost per student).

I'd rather live in Italy than other countries but I won't uniquely for tax reasons.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by sivizius on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:32AM (#25415459)
or Germany, where the only cost you might have is for the public transport ticket or something like that, and even this is often optional…I am actually curious why there are not so many students from the USA in German universities? Or is this due to language?
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by p_l on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:56AM (#25415633)
Foreign students usually don't fall under the same funding and have to pay full price, while EU citizens are entitled to the same level of support as localssl.

Which leads to fun times where English had to pay max UK rate at Scottish universities but EU citizens paid the same as Scots.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by sivizius on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:12AM (#25415728)
Except for Baden-Württemberg, which has tuitions for non-EU-students (1.5k€ per semester afaik), it is irrelevant whether you are German, EU-citizen or from somewhere else. The only tuitions you might have is for studying too long.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by fmajid on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:13AM (#25415736)
IIRC Americans study free in Germany, you are right that it is unusual in Europe where the free tuition only applies to EU nationals and residents.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by LeonidasXIV on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:52AM (#25415591)
I assume this is because the US is not an EU member, so studying in Germany is not under the same conditions for them as for other EU members.

Also, Germany is somewhat difficult to navigate if you don't speak German, since you reach many roadblocks where people don't speak English (this is different in Denmark, but Denmark's nationalist party has abolished bachelor studies in English, so much for that).

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by AlchemistCamp on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:30AM (#25415445)
Are you sure?

Back when I was in school, I looked hard at all the options for studying abroad in France and found none with tuition even close to that cheap for even just a semester or summer.

I suspect the prices you're talking about are heavily subsidized and only if you're French (which the OP probably isn't).

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by meheleventyone on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:37AM (#25415498)
Actually those costs will be the same across the EU/EEA but yes if you're coming from somewhere else unless your government will cover the cost you will be paying for it.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by jcelerier on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:44AM (#25415931)
here are the prices for my local university - https://www.u-bordeaux.fr/Formation/Candidatures-et-inscript...

Where do you come from ? If it's from the US, sure, it's quite more expensive. If it's from another european country, or a poor country, it should be cheap.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by AlchemistCamp on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:09AM (#25417670)
In my case, that was half a lifetime ago. I'm mid-career now and doubt I'd ever study at a school in France unless maybe it's just for language study.

I'm guessing the OP is in the US if they're talking about Lambda School, but even the full foreigner price for your school looks substantially less expensive than Lambda.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by kenniskrag on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:36AM (#25415484)
~1000 chf per semester in switzerland but if not partly paid by the gov it would be much more.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by dave_sullivan on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:56AM (#25415632)
Bit of a fallacy to think you’ve become a better programmer by spending $5,000 per month on instruction instead of $625 per month, isn’t it? Or that the student with 6 months instruction is somehow more employable than the student with 48 months?
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by sampsonitify on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:19AM (#25417138)
Neither is employable off the bat, and it takes time for someone with zero experience to be valuable.

That makes question who is more employable: a student with 48 months of University, or someone with 6 months of Lambda and 2.5 years of real world experience? Note, I assumed the Lambda grad had a year unemployed.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by bko on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:43AM (#25415528)
Average in-state tuition is ~6.5k a year

https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/state/

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by rootlocus on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:18AM (#25415353)
I think this is the wrong question. Any commitment to education is an investment. At that point, you should be thinking in terms of ROI.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by cjrp on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:22AM (#25415393)
If you're using both the degree and the bootcamp to achieve the same goal (e.g. a paying job), then surely being ready for employment sooner is preferable?
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by codingdave on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:42AM (#25415917)
No. I can get a paying job right out of high school, while someone going to medical school will be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for over a decade. If you are just looking at wealth at age 25, people working in fast food made better choices than doctors. Yet somehow, 10 years later, the doctors are ahead.

Clearly that is an extreme example, but it illustrates the point - getting a paying job quickly does not mean it is the best answer for long-term salary and career growth. Getting any old coding job just to get one is not the same thing as getting the full education that comes from a degree. That doesn't make it the wrong answer... getting a job matters. But if you are comparing long-term outcomes, you need to look at it with more context.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by st1x7 on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:37AM (#25417312)
The analogy doesn't scale because additional years of fast-food work don't add anything to your prospects. On the other hand, additional years of software development add a lot to your employability so the value of getting your first job is much higher. Once you have several years of experience, the lack of a 4-year degree is far less harmful to your employability.
Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by pietrovismara on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:22AM (#25415387)
You can think in terms of ROI only if you have enough resources to dedicate 48 months to study. Otherwise it's just a race against time to become profitable.

That is, to be able to think in terms of ROI is a privilege.

Re:Lambda School is the biggest mistake I made this year by thejosh on Monday December 14, 2020 @05:37AM (#25415489)
or an actual degree that can be used in other countries and isn't a complete joke