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Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by yequalsx on Thursday May 12, 2011 @01:18PM (#2541385)
What I can't understand is how people can visit North Korea and not feel disgusted by giving support for that regime.

I believe North Korea is facing another famine this year. Given the conditions in North Korea and the apparent iron grip its regime has on power is it better not to provide food aid? I can't decide for myself if it's better, for the long term, to let the nation starve and not help the people out or to feed them. I don't see a clear cut right or wrong way to view aid to North Korea. It's a disturbing case.

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by elliottcarlson on Thursday May 12, 2011 @01:21PM (#2541399)
The problem is that visitors require a guide - someone who will hide the true nature of NK to them and ensuring they only see what they are allowed to see. Even though there has been a good amount of hidden camera footage exposed, or articles such as this one - there are plenty of people who may not really be aware of what is really going on there behind the scenes.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by MichaelApproved on Thursday May 12, 2011 @01:33PM (#2541469)
That reminds me of Nazi Germany when they went so far as to create a fake concentration camp for the Red Cross to visit.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by dantheman on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:27PM (#2541736)
If you're interested in Theresienstadt (the concentration camp) there's a great documentary called Prisoner of Paradise. It tells the story a Jewish filmmaker forced to make a propaganda film about the camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_Paradise

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by abrown28 on Thursday May 12, 2011 @01:44PM (#2541521)
A lot of the approved video is disturbing to me.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by lotusleaf1987 on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:22PM (#2541706)
Vice Guide has a great documentary available streaming on Netflix. It was so depressing/surreal/horrifying all at once.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by unreal37 on Friday May 13, 2011 @10:24AM (#2544730)
Vice Guide was very interesting. He was visiting large tourist sites, and was the only person there. Visited a gift shop, where he was the only person the attendant probably saw that day.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by pstack on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:12PM (#2541652)
It's our way. We do business with China and visit them regularly, even though we know that much of what makes their manufacturing industry so competitive is the use of slave prison labor.

It's weird how we decide what people deserve "liberation" and what people we just shrug our shoulders at and keep supporting, in one form or another, the government that is oppressing them.

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by cynicalkane on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:28PM (#2541739)
We do business with China and visit them regularly, even though we know that much of what makes their manufacturing industry so competitive is the use of slave prison labor

Though the conditions of labor in China seem shocking to comfortable Americans, they are not, in general, "slave prison labor".

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by unreal37 on Friday May 13, 2011 @10:22AM (#2544718)
How about this. I visited China last year, and saw/heard about the following.

Say you want to build a new building. The workers are brought to the construction site, and they live on the site 24/7, taking shifts to sleep in a small cot. When they are not sleeping they are working (7 days a week). They do not see their families for months during the job. They work on site for several months, and will only receive pay after the building is done. If you have to leave the site for some reason (say a sick or dying relative, or you get sick yourself) before the building is done, you forfeit all your pay. You could have worked 6 months on a job, and if you hurt yourself, you go home without even $1.

It's a deplorable condition being forced to live where you work. It's a prison, even if voluntary.

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by bdunbar on Thursday May 12, 2011 @04:58PM (#2542292)
I don't know about the majority of manufacturing in mainland China.

I do know that the several thousand people my employer has in manufacturing there are not slave labor.

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by 100tonmantis on Thursday May 12, 2011 @04:38PM (#2542221)
Source for "slave prison labor" in China please.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by pstack on Thursday May 12, 2011 @04:56PM (#2542285)
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co...

"Using their vast pools of free labour, China's prisons produce everything from green tea to coal, paperclips to footballs, medical gloves to high-grade optical equipment."

http://www.goiam.org/index.php/news/iam-news/2007-iam-news-a...

"Prison Labor is also being exploited in China, according to executive director of the Laogai Research Foundation Harry Wu, who said prison laborers make garments, electronic components, coffee mugs and toys that end up in U.S. stores. “The Chinese government continues to use forced labor to make goods, condones sweatshop conditions in its factories, and refuses to allow workers to create independent unions-- is it really any wonder that low-quality, harmful toys are being exported to the US and into the hands of our children?” said Wu, who spent 19 years in a Chinese prison.

Wal-Mart was singled out for their role in allowing the exploitation of cheap Chinese labor. “Wal-Mart bears a lion’s share of responsibility for pushing the toy industry into a region where product safety and worker safety inspection is virtually nonexistent,” said Bama Athreya, executive director of the International Labor Rights Forum."

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa45502.000/hf...

1998 FORCED LABOR IN CHINA - HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITEE ON INTERNATIONAL OPERATIONS AND HUMAN RIGHTS

Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by 100tonmantis on Friday May 13, 2011 @01:15PM (#2545343)
That is pretty terrible. Thank you for posting your sources.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by maxxxxx on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:28PM (#2541738)
the right way would be to stop trade with china since they are the ones holding up that regime. Of course that won't happen.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by ry0ohki on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:12PM (#2541654)
Visitors? Don't they only give out like 3000 visas a year?
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by MoreMoschops on Saturday May 14, 2011 @11:26AM (#2547809)
They turn down very few visas. They give out so few because there are so few applications.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by aw3c2 on Thursday May 12, 2011 @01:42PM (#2541514)
And so is our lifestyle. We rely on the exploitation of the rest of the world but close our eyes and pretend everything is fine. After all, the bad things happen in far-far-away to people of different races and cultures.
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by yequalsx on Thursday May 12, 2011 @02:02PM (#2541612)
I think it's fair to bring up exploitation of resources, and labor conditions in other countries so that rich countries can live at a higher standard of living. But there is a difference from visiting an exploited country to visiting a country whose regime exploits its own people. Would you agree with this?
Re:Satellite Images of North Korea Prison Camps Find 200,000... by carussell on Friday May 13, 2011 @01:53AM (#2543709)
Assuming there's legitimate reasoning behind them, and not just "I don't like it", could someone explain to me why this comment got so many downvotes?