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Re:Earnestness by dang on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:55PM (#25403617)
I think you misunderstand the genre of essay that pg practices. It's a form of thinking out loud, and intensely personal—a way of finding out how one understands oneself and the world by writing about it. This is actually the origin of the term 'essay', which means 'attempt' and is intrinsically informal. Citations would be out of place.
Re:Earnestness by iWorshipFAANGS on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:07PM (#25403956)
I'm going to post one more time, just because I think there's a bit of a misconception here.

You're absolutely correct about the origin of the word "Essay." It comes from the French word "essais," meaning "test" or "attempt." The form as we know it was invented by Montaigne, whose essays are indeed informal and personal. They're also uniformly excellent, and I'd recommend them to anyone. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Essays_of_Montaigne

However, if you click on virtually any of the essays in the link above, you'll find an essay that is packed with references and quotations. Quotations are a form of direct citation. Sometimes Montaigne misquotes, but this was well before the information age, and he was often working off of memory, so I think we can excuse his lapses.

However, if we are to use the origins of the essay as an example, I don't think we can say that the form necessarily resists citation.

Re:Earnestness by dang on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:05PM (#25404221)
I'm glad you brought up Montaigne; I was going to, but then realized that people would accuse me of comparing pg to the classics and get mad about that too.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare informal quotes to "citations" in the modern sense. The point is that this is an informal, highly personal genre. There are people, as you probably know, who claim that Montaigne invented not only the essay, but the modern idea of a personal self by writing them. So to accuse pg of being too personal or self-referential in his essays is a misunderstanding. The way his writing gets under people's skin is certainly interesting though.

Re:Earnestness by iWorshipFAANGS on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:46PM (#25404381)
Alright, well said. Although I still don't agree that it'd be out of place to include citations in a personal essay, what you've said is fair too.
Re:Earnestness by zemo on Sunday December 13, 2020 @01:21PM (#25408726)
is your argument that he's a genre writer and his genre is his own cult of personality, and that his pieces should not be judged on the coherence of their arguments, because making strong arguments is not the point of his writing?
Re:Earnestness by dang on Sunday December 13, 2020 @04:11PM (#25410314)
That's pretty obviously not my argument.
Re:Earnestness by zemo on Monday December 14, 2020 @01:26AM (#25414153)
my argument is that PG's writing is weak specifically because he rejects dialectics. Your argument is essentially that he's writing in a genre that is not dialectic in nature. This is like if I said "I don't like this cookie because it is not sweet" and you said "the cookie is not sweet therefore your argument is invalid".