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Re:Earnestness by bonoboTP on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:03PM (#25399654)
I meant they escaped the world wars and the rest of the turmoils of the 20th century. Largely because they didn't have deep historic conflicts with the rest of the big empires.

I mean, sure, not completely, they definitely had some of their population deported by Nazis, but it wasn't such a major impact as elsewhere in Europe.

Re:Earnestness by romanoderoma on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:12PM (#25399726)
They definitely did not escape any recent war.

The WWII in Scandinavia was particularly bad, including the occupation of Norway and Denmark.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Weserübung

They did escape the contemporary ones the same way any other country in Europe did anyway.

Re:Earnestness by oblio on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:36PM (#25399950)
Norway and Denmark (as well as France) were treated with kiddie gloves compared to what occupation in Eastern Europe meant.
Re:Earnestness by anubidiocane on Saturday December 12, 2020 @02:14PM (#25400666)
Well, Norway collaborated with the nazis and sympathised for some of their ideas at the time, for example Norway had been experimenting with eugenics programs since the 20s when they started to sterilise mentally hill patients and made it legal in 1934.

But the king of Norway and members of the army escaped to London and directed the resistance from there.

Ask the Jews that owned the houses and nursing homes that were confiscated for the Lebensborn project and the kids that survived it (not many), what they think about it.

Others had it worse doesn't mean they escaped the war and its consequences.

If the eastern block is where you draw the line, you could argue that many parts of Europe escaped the war.

But it would be historically false.

Re:Earnestness by bonoboTP on Monday December 14, 2020 @06:46AM (#25415946)
They had a head start after WW 2 for sure. Earlier they were not affected by Ottoman wars like the Balkans and other Eastern Europe (the extent of destruction and de population that brought was beyond imagination), nor a Moorish occupation like in Iberia. Scandinavia was not razed to the ground and drastically depopulated in recent centuries.

Finland is somewhat exceptional among the Nordics as they were quite poor and had some shit to deal with from Russia (and Sweden) but managed to become rich and high trust.

Re:Earnestness by merdadicapra on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:07AM (#25419098)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Denmark...

They have been at war for 2 centuries like much of Europe.

Depending on who you ask, Ottomans were their allied or their enemies in Scandinavia, at times they have been both like Denmark allied of Ottomans against Russia that then switched side and sided with Russia that gave them land from Sweden.

https://i.redd.it/4r4yx17hf9a51.png

There were big differences between Scandinavian countries and they have been at war for a long time.

Denmark for example owned Ghana, like Belgium owned Congo.

They were richer than say Finland.

France has been involved in less wars during the same time span.

Another example: Spain and Portugal weren't bombed during WW2, they were not occupied, they stayed mostly neutral, but didn't develop an high trust society.

It must be something else.