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Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by tpetry on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:22AM (#25397274)
Very often your residential connection is sold as proxy to e.g. circumvent rate limits. Companies like luminati are used for example for scraping google search results and many more things.
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by rdbell on Saturday December 12, 2020 @06:09AM (#25397511)
My startup offers a residential IP sharing model where users get paid to share their bandwidth: https://packetstream.io
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by dunce2020 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:42AM (#25399457)
What vetting do you do on people purchasing bandwidth?

How confident can I be that the Feds wont pay me a visit at 4am?

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by apexalpha on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:57AM (#25398995)
Hang on I can make money by sharing my internet at night when I don't use it anyway and US persons might need internet from NL? That sounds awesome.

edit: The information on how it's secured for packeteers seems a bit limited. (how do you prevent people spraying 192.168.1.1 into all endpoints?).

But it's interesting enough to hit up in a seperate docker network. I'm looking forward to seeing if it'll actually use GBs.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by kilburn on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:21PM (#25399814)
I don't know about NL or elsewhere, but I'm pretty sure this can get you in trouble in Spain for several reasons:

1. Check your ISP contract. If it is a residential connection, it probably says you are not allowed to share your connection with people outside your home (and it could be argued that you are doing so by running this).

2. Check your laws. In Spain, if your connection is used to conduct illegal activities and you willingly gave access to the attackers (which is what you are doing here) then you are a "necessary collaborator" and would be found guilty of these crimes.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by leetcrew on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:52PM (#25400063)
yeah I would think long and hard about 2). if I understand correctly, this would be the same as running a tor exit node. not technically illegal in most cases, but could be very stressful/expensive to defend against anyway. not worth it to save a few dollars a month.
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by oarsinsync on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:40PM (#25400402)
In Spain, if you run a Tor exit node and someone commits a crime via Tor through your connection, you’re party to the crime.

In other countries, “not technically illegal” may apply. In Spain, it does not.

Or to give another analogy, it’s not technically illegal to sit in a car. It’s a different matter if you’re sitting in the car as a lookout while a crime is occurring. While there’s “intent” that matters in that particular example, when it comes to internet crime in Spain, intent doesn’t matter, facilitation is all that does.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by bluesign on Saturday December 12, 2020 @06:55AM (#25397696)
This is the one of the best (if not the best) solution out there I tried so far, congratulations. I am very happy to see it is from fellow HNer.
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by rdbell on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:05AM (#25398010)
Thanks for the encouragement! I think I found your username in our DB, and I've added extra bandwidth credits to your account :)
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by saalweachter on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:53AM (#25398975)
I know you're being nice here, and I have no idea if that particular user cared, but like, as someone who has to take frequent user data/trust/privacy/handling trainings, like, don't ever do that.

Firstly, you really want to engineer your systems as much as possible so that you can't look at any PII -- and that includes things like usernames that aren't displayed to the public, and maybe even ones that are! -- as an administrator of your system, without going through some sort of "break glass in case of emergency" process that leaves an audit trail with a clear policy of when it is acceptable.

Second, even if you have access for job-related tasks, you shouldn't spontaneously try to tie user accounts to outside identities; that should be like line 4 or 5 in your data access policy. The right way to do the above would be something like saying "Thanks for vouching for us! If you message me your username @XYZ, I'll add some extra bandwidth credits to your account. :)"; that turns the interaction/demasking into something voluntary on the user's behalf, rather than you creepily stalking them through your user DB.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by johnx123-up on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:47AM (#25398186)
I can't find the pricing anywhere. How much do they charge?
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by abc03 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:07AM (#25398638)
1 USD/GB which is cheap
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by planetafro on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:25AM (#25398096)
Is the 3% fee to "cash out" earned on your end or PayPal? It just feels a little disengenuous to advertise a rate but the only way to receive payment is at a loss of 3%. ...or is the model that the sharers are also customers and you encourage them to use the service while discouraging "cashout"?
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by hansvm on Saturday December 12, 2020 @02:27PM (#25400780)
It's been awhile since I've done much with PayPal, but at one point a typical fee was $0.30 + 2.9%, so at a 3% fee they'd be taking a small hit in the processing fees for orders below $300 and turning a mild profit when people cash out for more than that. YMMV with their current fee structure.

Agreed it's a little scummy to not factor your operating expenses into the price of the product, especially if that's not blatantly obvious from the outset.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by oarsinsync on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:12AM (#25398044)
My first thought was seeing the 90% cut despite (presumably) traffic not having to transit your network.

My second thought was hoping traffic actually does get proxied through your network, and isn’t pure P2P, to provide anonymity between users.

My third thought was that I should sign up regardless, as this could be useful!

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by abc03 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:02AM (#25398605)
It‘s probably one of the best in terms of value/price as it is pay-to-go. The only commitment is USD 50 minimum top-up. It‘s also pretty fast. Negative is that some countries have few Proxies and they don‘t say how many exactly. They also don‘t have city-level targeting.
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by Kabukks on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:37PM (#25399959)
I'm using your service (found it on HN too) for a side project and I'm very happy with it. Good job!

One nitpick: I'm seeing occasional timeouts (probably because the residential endpoint went down recently). Do you have a best practice on how to work around that?

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by rz2k on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:28PM (#25401399)
How does your business manage 7 million+ residential IP addresses with 5000+ clients?

Is being a packeter safer than running a tor exit node? I'd worry that the people willing to run this risk for a small income couldn't afford adequate legal defense if necessary.

Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by fny on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:36AM (#25398442)
Can you explain why Go and Postgres are listed as technology partners?
Re:Amazon owns more than $2B worth of IPv4 addresses by Keverw on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:34AM (#25398830)
I seen that too. PayPal and Stripe on the list also. I think it's just a list of all the providers and software/tools they themselves used. Seems maybe a little misleading, wonder if people might think they are endorsed by Stripe, etc?