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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by nickysielicki on Saturday December 12, 2020 @02:45AM (#25396517)
Demonetization is not censorship, imho. They support YouTube through their advertisers, and their advertisers don't want to be affiliated with guns. It makes sense that they won't pay you for videos that they can't monetize -- they're just passing on the loss to the video producer.

Beyond demonetization, YouTube did categorically ban videos demonstrating how to install and/or fabricate an autosear. In practice, this also extends to purely educational videos explaining how an autosear works.

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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by inglor_cz on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:42AM (#25397072)
"their advertisers don't want to be affiliated with guns"

Which ones? All of them? Who asked them? What about gun companies, they do not want any ads?

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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @05:42AM (#25397373)
If you think that this isn't censorship, then I strongly encourage you to read Manufacturing Consent.
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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by rbanffy on Saturday December 12, 2020 @07:19AM (#25397790)
There is a difference between for-profit content and free speech.
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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:48AM (#25398521)
Sorry, I'm not sure how this is a reply to my comment. Can you clarify?
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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by rbanffy on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:47AM (#25398928)
The right to say something is not to be confused with the right to be paid to say something.

In fact, monetization creates a perverse incentive to prioritize financial gain over informing the public.

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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:35PM (#25399943)
So, the central point (or one of them, at least) of Manufacturing Consent is that news/media organisations are shaped by what advertisers desire, such that the reporting is mostly friendly to a capitalistic worldview.

This is 100% analogous to what Google are doing with respect to demonetising youtube videos, and troubling for exactly the same reasons.

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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by rbanffy on Saturday December 12, 2020 @07:29PM (#25403148)
Isn't it troubling that the videos are not created to inform, but to keep the audience paying for them?
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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday December 13, 2020 @04:32AM (#25405370)
Yeah of course. But I'm not sure what else one would expect, given our societal structure.
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Re:The YouTube ban is un-American, wrong, and will backfire by rbanffy on Sunday December 13, 2020 @09:02AM (#25406595)
If we can remove one perverse incentive at a time, it's still progress, but i agree that, without punishment for misinforming the public, and it's delicate to draw lines there, the problem won't go away.
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