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Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by joshuamorton on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:06PM (#25390265)
Please do elaborate.
Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by umvi on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:21PM (#25390453)
If you identify with the left:

Why was election integrity highly questionable in 2016 (Russia, etc.), but not in 2020 after 4 years of Trump? Did something change in those 4 years to make election integrity unquestionable? In fact, election integrity is so unquestionable in 2020 that all the big tech companies are banding together to censor anything that questions election integrity.

If you identify with the right:

If there is a massive conspiracy to change the outcome of the election, why are not more whistleblowers coming forward? How was it coordinated across states?

The truth is that questionable things probably did happen in the 2020 election. The left needs to acknowledge this. The truth is that there isn't enough evidence that these questionable things probably didn't change the outcome of the election. The right needs to acknowledge this. Both sides need to agree on how to improve the 2024 election.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by joshuamorton on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:44PM (#25390726)
The claim by the left about 2016 is that there was foreign influence (and potential illegal collusion) in the election. There are fringe elements who claim that there was direct modification of votes, but the mainstream accusations are and were limited to things like advertisement targeting, funding, and potentially sharing of information between foreign actors and campaigns etc.

The mainstream claim by the right in 2020 is that there was widespread voter or election fraud (e.g. people voting multiple times, or people's votes being changed or vote counters not counting votes for a candidate).

There's a reasonable amount of evidence to support the assertions in 2016, including official government sources. There's reasonable amounts of evidence to conclude that many of the same tactics in 2016 were tried in 2020, including official government statements, but may have been less effective (due to awareness by the government, and policy changes by companies like Facebook and Google), and a lack of things like the DNC hack to make a big splash.

There's was no evidence of widespread voter or election fraud in 2016 or in 2020.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by evgen on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:37PM (#25390647)
I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election. Many claimed Russian interference, many claimed that James Comey put his thumb on the scale, many claimed that the media provided Trump with a great deal of free media and that the mainstream media were easily whipped up with anti-Clinton stories, many claimed that the sitting administration erred in not publicizing known associations between high-level Trump campaign operatives and Russian agents.

NO ONE claimed that the vote was illegitimate. NO ONE claimed that the ballot boxes had been stuffed. The 2016 vote was much closer than 2020 and still the party that lost accepted the result and even if they mumbled about 'not my President' there was no one claiming that the election was stolen.

Please stop with the bullshit both-sides claims, it is pathetic.

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by umvi on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:47PM (#25390770)
> even if they mumbled about 'not my President'

more like shouted it at the top of their lungs for 4 years straight

> I would love for you to provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election

> there was no one claiming that the election was stolen.

I mean, I lived the 2016 election I remember the response of my left leaning friends, and some of them absolutely believed the election was rigged. Some quick googling can dig up lots of articles from 2016:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/hillary-clinton-sugg...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2016/12/16/t...

https://www.lwv.org/newsroom/press-releases/2016-presidentia...

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by joshuamorton on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:57PM (#25390890)
None of those articles contain claims that votes were changed (election fraud) or that voters voted repeatedly or illegally (voter fraud).

They do contain claims of voter suppression, which I'll note continue to be made by those on the left this year (and in 2018 and in pretty much every election, disenfranchisement is an ongoing concern on the left).

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by simonsarris on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:12PM (#25394149)
> provide citations and references for your claims that people questioned the validity of the 2016 election

A 2018 YouGov poll said that 66% of democrats polled believe the claim that Russia tampered with vote tallies on Election Day to help the President.

> https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...

Re:Employees are leaving Facebook and torching the company i... by jfrunyon on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:39PM (#25390669)
Election integrity was not questionable in either 2016 or 2020. There were massive amounts of disinformation - both from foreign actors and from Trump - in both elections. But there was not significant fraud in either election.