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Re:Google Alternatives by phendrenad2 on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:46AM (#25383092)
We've done this song and dance 1000 times: Someone says "DDG is bad" or "DDG is good" and all of the replies are basically "No, DDG is <opposite>".

Let's try something new: Let's give examples. I'll go first:

Let's say I have a nebulous recollection that there is a wifi module with "NRF" in the model number. If I search for `nrf wifi` on both Google and DDG, which do you think provides better results?

Let's look at the top URL hits from both (this is in an incognito window, with ublock origin on!):

Google:

1) nordicsemi.com (the manufacturer) homepage

2) <manufacturer website> press release

3) <manufacturer website> random Q & A page

4) arduino.stackoverflow.com (question about how to use it)

5) Some blog (someone's guide to using it)

6) nrf.com (National Retail Federation) conference category: wifi and bluetooth analytics (unrelated result, but I can imagine someone going to this conference might google the exact same thing, good thing Google knows to show it...

--- A random box showing questions relevant to the device ---

7) arduino.cc (question about how to use it)

8) <electronics blog site A> (someone's guide to using it)

9) <electronics blog site A> (another page on using it)

10) <electronic parts retail site A> (sells it)

DDG:

1) <electronics blog site A> (someone's guide to using it)

2) <electronics blog site B> (someone's guide to using it)

3) <electronic parts retail site C> (someone's guide to using it)

4) <electronics blog site D> (someone's guide to using it)

5) <electronics blog site E> (someone's guide to using it)

6) <electronics blog site F> (another guide to using it)

7) <electronics blog site G> (someone's guide to using it)

8) arduino.cc (question about how to use it)

9) <manufacturer website> random Q & A page

10) <manufacturer website> another random Q & A page

As you can see, Google seems to prefer authoritative sources (the manufacturer, the conference that coincidentally has the same name and category), while DDG seems to prefer blogs and how-to guides. I won't say which is better, that's entirely subjective.

Re:Google Alternatives by kkoncevicius on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:10AM (#25383792)
Here is an interesting one: search for 'reddit conspiracy' on DDG and Google.

DDG: /r/conspiracy at the top of the list - first result

Google: nowhere to be seen

Makes me wonder what else they are not showing.

Re:Google Alternatives by abecedarius on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:18PM (#25388109)
Odd: I just checked, and /r/conspiracy was top of the list on both. (I'm not logged into my Google account.)

OTOH I can confirm Google did not show /r/donaldtrump in the first page for "reddit donald trump" (no quotes), while it's the first result on DDG.

Re:Google Alternatives by dorgo on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:25AM (#25383853)
Maybe it's just a joke by Google? Showing a reddit conspiracy ( no results for /r/conspiracy ) if somebody searchs for 'reddit conspiracy'.
Re:Google Alternatives by kkoncevicius on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:08AM (#25384112)
That would be funny, but there are other examples like that. Pick any community towards the "right" and you will probably get the same result. i.e. search 'reddit dark enlightenment'

Again first result on DDG, no result on Google.

Re:Google Alternatives by speedgoose on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:10AM (#25384430)
I checked Wikipedia : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

It's a bit more than "towards the right" IMHO. I don't mind this reddit community being ignored by Google Search.

Re:Google Alternatives by kkoncevicius on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:55AM (#25384740)
Well, another one - 'donald trump reddit'.
Re:Google Alternatives by speedgoose on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:10AM (#25384877)
I get results about the subreddit the_donald, which has been deleted by reddit.
Re:Google Alternatives by kkoncevicius on Friday December 11, 2020 @07:13AM (#25384897)
For me:

Google: No reddit entry, with "The_Donald" entry from Wikipedia

DDG: /r/donaldtrump, /r/donald_trump, /r/AskTrumpSupporters as first 3 results.

Re:Google Alternatives by j16sdiz on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:40AM (#25385560)
Maybe google just don't like reddit (or.. online forum)?

Try 'biden reddit'

Re:Google Alternatives by kkoncevicius on Friday December 11, 2020 @08:49AM (#25385653)
Biden doesn't return results on google, which is interesting. But it doesn't seem to be because google doesn't like reddit. It typically returns results even for niche sub-reddits.

"reddit sorcery of the spectacle" works, for example.

However "reddit married red pill" doesn't (works on DDG).

There must be some kind of censoring going on. Maybe Donald Trump and Biden are somehow influenced by elections. But this wouldn't explain the others.

Re:Google Alternatives by mucle6 on Friday December 11, 2020 @11:33AM (#25387563)
This has convinced me to try DDG
Re:Google Alternatives by prox on Friday December 11, 2020 @05:16AM (#25384156)
So here is an interesting one, I’d just searched import plugins for Wordpress, and the top result from Google is a 5 year old review website, while DDG gives me one from this year. The latter being more relevant to my search.
Re:Google Alternatives by bmn__ on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:31AM (#25383625)
You found what you're looking for on the first page and on the first try for both. IMO that's a resounding success.
Re:Google Alternatives by huhtenberg on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:42AM (#25383945)
Not in 2020.

A simple keyword match, even if weighted, is no longer enough. The engine needs to grok the context of a query. Chances of someone's using a generic query to find a blog instead of a vendor's site are basically zero.

Re:Google Alternatives by mswann on Friday December 11, 2020 @06:31AM (#25384574)
As you said it depends on the context, I agree, but thus the chances someone's using a generic query to find vendor independent resources like blogs are not zero. With regard to the given example "nrf wifi", I'd prefer DDG's results as I usually know the manufacturer of the hardware I work with but often search for solutions to problems in context of that hardware. Furthermore depending on familiarity with domain names it's possible to deduce the manufacturer's website from GP's 9th result on DDG.
Re:Google Alternatives by dorgo on Friday December 11, 2020 @04:29AM (#25383878)
>Let's try something new: Let's give examples.

Maybe better: Let's make (or find) a benchmark for web search.