News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by joe_the_user on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:12PM (#25378760)
We live in a society and basically any enterprise has an obligation to not help another person or enterprise engage in crime - a gun store is obligated to not sell someone a gun if they express an intent to use it to engage in crime.

That said, the issue here is a "fishing expedition". I'm sure Pornhub makes some effort to screen content for illegality but the problem is some still gets through 'cause of scale and costs. I don't know if Pornhub has safe harbor protections or not but I suspect the main target is effectively porn in general.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by kelnos on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:29PM (#25378979)
I think we also have the obligation to not act as judge, jury, and executioner. If we suspect a customer has committed a crime, we should report that, with any evidence we have, to the proper authorities, and let them decide whether there's actually a crime there, or if we're mistaken.

Access to a reliable payments network (of which there are very few in the world, and even fewer in the western world) is required for doing any kind of online business. Whether or not to destroy a business based on their -- alleged! -- illegal activity should be decided by a court, not a corporate legal department.

Unfortunately, there are garbage laws around financial transactions that make MC liable if they don't do their own policing. IMO those laws need to go.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by dcolkitt on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:21PM (#25378869)
> any enterprise has an obligation to not help another person or enterprise engage in crime

This is true. But the standards applied to financial transactions are way more stringent than other businesses. KYC/AML laws basically create an affirmative obligation for financial institutions to proactively determine whether each and every customer is engaged in illegal activity.

Unlike in other businesses, it's not enough to just say that you weren't aware of your customers intentions. Unless you've taken efforts to affirm that all their activity is legal, you can be criminally liable.

If some guy walks into a bakers and asks, "What's the best cannoli to bring alone to a mob hit", then the baker is obligated not to do business with him. But the equivalent of KYC/AML would require the baker to verify and document that none of the pastries are being used for illegal activity.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by odessacubbage on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:39PM (#25379765)
just like with sesta, that's exactly the target. the uncomfortable reality about sex crimes is they are fundamentally pretty mundane and simple in nature. the abuse is not an international mossad/hollywood pedo cabal stuffing children into armoires or elite cyber diddlers infiltrating your nephew's roblox server. sexual abuse comes from people around you in positions of trust crossing an unforgivable line. in that sense it is utterly unremarkable, it just happens and you either deal with it or you kill yourself, at no point does mastercard have any presence in the interaction.