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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wwright on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:30PM (#25367029)
Agreed 100%.

YouTube’s massively outsized impact is obviously the problem here. This wouldn’t be Orwellian if they didn’t have so much power. We wouldn’t need it if YouTube didn’t allow for such insane manipulation of people.

But if we’re going to have YouTube, by god do I prefer people NOT proliferating this madness freely.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by cmdshiftf4 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:34PM (#25367805)
> I prefer people NOT proliferating this madness freely.

Just the madness you happen to agree with, right?

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by dTal on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:11PM (#25369172)
Let's not pretend that this is a matter of opinion vs opinion. This is a matter of truth vs counterfactuals. There may be edge cases where the distinction isn't so clear cut; this isn't one of them.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by colordrops on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:39PM (#25369786)
That wasn't the point the person you are responding to was trying to get across... unless you somehow think everything you believe is 100% true.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by fein on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:48AM (#25370606)
"truth", "counterfactuals"

Words that no longer have a definition aside from whatever the user finds favorable for their own means.

I prefer we remove all the stops and see what the chaos brings. Survival of the fittest. Zero censorship of political speech true or false by whomever's standards.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wwright on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:02PM (#25390208)
At which point in history did words have a centralized and objective meaning across all usages?
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by pldr1234 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:43PM (#25367891)
Bothsideism is not a good argument for preserving dangerous untruths.

Also, this is a free market. Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by cmdshiftf4 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:52PM (#25367972)
>Those who feel they are being censored can freely start their own AntiTube service.

I'm pretty sure that's been tried, no? And then the same regressives have ensured those services are:

- Deplatformed by infrastructure providers

- Stripped of support from payment providers

- Deindexed, banned from advertising, etc. from search engines

- Silenced on social media so as to not be able to get their brand / product out

But hey, I mean it's a free world, right? I, as an impartial observer free from any consequences, honestly welcome the US tech industry to continue backing half of the US population into a corner, and believe me I will spare the same industry not one iota of sympathy when those same people inevitably snap.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wwright on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:22PM (#25369670)
Do you have any examples of that happening to people for actions that aren’t straight up pedophilia or racism (ie Stormfront)?
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Vecr on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:16AM (#25370408)
Hate speech is free speech, in US law. Racism is absolutely protected.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wwright on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:52AM (#25375618)
Free speech is about government laws, not private action. Racist speech is protected, but so is the right to not propagate racist speech on private infrastructure.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by derivagral on Friday December 11, 2020 @10:44AM (#25386960)
This is what will lose them section 230 though, right? The bloc that "snaps" is going to vote, and those votes are going to have consequences.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by fbru02 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:51PM (#25367949)
it is funny how people with liberal tendencies resort to "it is a free market" when it is convenient to the them and if not they say it is rigged for people with power
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by wwright on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:23PM (#25369681)
That was exactly my point. It being a “free market” is why it sucks in the first place — but if it’s going to be a shitty adtech-driven brain-sludgifying monstrosity, the very least we can do is not actively promote the worst things people put into it.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by txsoftwaredev on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @09:02PM (#25368645)
The same will cry for net neutrality and government provided internet. Go start your own ISP if you don't like Comcast (or whoever).
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by cheese_van on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:06PM (#25369141)
Two competing camps trying to fork the nation because they both believe the guys upstream keep making shitty commits, year after year. Unless those 9 reviewers properly do their job, it's only a matter of time before the whole project is deprecated.