Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by qnxub on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:00PM
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If DNS over HTTPS becomes standard, and Manifest V3 lands in Chromium-based browsers, Safari, and Firefox, how are we supposed to block ads?
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Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by blibble on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:15PM
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I suspect the plan is to make ad blockers impotent by reducing their ability to adapt quickly to new forms of block evasion
the ad blockers slowly become more and more useless, people stop using them entirely, and google's the biggest winner
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by zelly on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:06AM
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then I'll use a fork that uses old DNS. maintaining a small diff that enables old DNS is easy enough that I could do it myself. much easier than trying to fork out Manifest V3.
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by AgentME on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @09:45PM
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Firefox has no incentive to prevent people from blocking ads, and DNS over HTTPS isn't a tool to block users from reconfiguring their own machines. All browsers let you configure your DNS settings still. The thing that DNS over HTTPS prevents is letting whoever is supplying your internet (including your ISP, whatever hotspot you're using on the go, etc) manipulate your DNS. It's not about removing control from the person who owns the machine.
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by wvenable on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:20PM
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> DNS over HTTPS isn't a tool to block users from reconfiguring their own machines.
Yes it is. Effectively it takes the "machine" out of the equation entirely. DNS resolution happens between the app and the server without you have any say over it at all.
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by netheril96 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:19AM
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I guess you can run your local DNS server and point the browser to that. The local DNS server can do all the filtering you want, and forward the filtered out requests to the outside DNS server.
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by zelly on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:09AM
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the doomsday scenario the top-level comment mentioned is if they disabled that option. it's possible but very unlikely because it would make that browser unusable for many corporate networks.
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by wvenable on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:03PM
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What corporate networks don't allow outbound HTTPS?
they run their own internal DNS resolvers
Re:Manifest V3 now available on M88 Beta
by wvenable on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:49PM
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Yes, but DNS over HTTPS by passes internal DNS resolvers and because it's HTTPS the corporate firewall would have no idea this is happening.