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Re:Apple Silicon M1 Disruption by wyldfire on Sunday December 06, 2020 @08:04PM (#25328332)
Is that really the case? Apple's design of the CPU itself seems like it's a bigger unique factor than the fab. Doesn't TSMC make competitors chips that are benchmarking much poorer than M1?

Qualcomm got rid of their mobile ARM CPU designs a while back. Can the snapdragon cx / SQ2 series hope to compete using ARM reference designs, with Apple out so far ahead?

Re:Apple Silicon M1 Disruption by lostmsu on Monday December 07, 2020 @02:20PM (#25335976)
We will only know once AMD APUs on TSMC 5nm will come out. If you look at 7nm options, A12Z and AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, the former has better single thread, but the later has much higher multicore.

Unfortunately, I could not find any data on TDP of A12Z under full load, so it is impossible to guesstimate at the moment which design is superior.

UPD. Actually, there's this: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

If I am to believe the successor to 4800U will gain 10% perf from switching 7nm -> 5nm, design-wise it matches M1.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 Disruption by whynotminot on Sunday December 06, 2020 @08:07PM (#25328353)
If you compare Snapdragon scores of the same TSMC node to their Apple equivalent, they come up wanting.

TSMC is a fantastic and innovative company, and they've done amazing things (in no small part to Apple's massive investment in them). But Apple chip design is superior to their competitors.

Combine Apple's superior designs with first access to TSMC's premier nodes and you get some pretty special results, as we've been seeing for years with the A series chips, and which is finally getting the notoriety it deserves with this M series debut.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 Disruption by amelius on Monday December 07, 2020 @07:33AM (#25331535)
How about ASML then?