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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by Veen on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:55AM (#25324689)
The "pedophile scandal" was the work one fantasist, himself a pedophile, making up lies. He is currently in jail serving an 18-year prison sentence for those lies. The real scandal is the way the police behaved, harassing very elderly people who had served their country for decades with no evidence other than the ravings of an easily discredited lunatic.
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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by DanBC on Monday December 07, 2020 @05:32AM (#25330902)
> The "pedophile scandal" was the work one fantasist,

Plus broken pattern-matching by people who see individual abusers as being part of some organised conspiracy and not as evidence of changing attitudes to child abuse over time.

Cyril Smith's offending was covered up by his colleagues. Jimmy Saville's offending was an open secret for years.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/westminster-...

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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by Veen on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:20AM (#25331161)
Yes, plus changing attitudes to homosexuality. Unfortunately, closeted cottagers and people who frequent male prostitutes are stil mentioned alongside pedophiles as if it was the same phenomenon.
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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by pmachinery on Sunday December 06, 2020 @04:23PM (#25326786)
You mean the Establishment allowed its own police to investigate crimes by members of the Establishment and it turned out that accusers against the Establishment are the real bad ones and Establishment figures are all just innocent old war heroes?

My word, who could have predicted that twist?

It's the easiest, and most obvious, thing in the world for a regime to kill a scandal or exposure of a conspiracy by poisoning the well with outrageous and easily exposed claims by easily discredited accusers.

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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by Veen on Sunday December 06, 2020 @05:24PM (#25327194)
A masterful exhibition of reasoning! Let me see if I follow:

Premise 1) If there was a pedophile conspiracy, the conspirators would try to poison the well with easily discredited witnesses.

Premise 2) The only evidence of a pedophile conspiracy comes from a single completely discredited witness.

Conclusion) Therefore, the pedophile conspiracy definitely happened.

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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by chordalkeyboard on Monday December 07, 2020 @12:44AM (#25329650)
> Premise 2) The only evidence of a pedophile conspiracy comes from a single completely discredited witness.

This is an artifact of selective perception and contradicted by both evidence and the public record.

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Re:The Grenfell Tower inquiry is uncovering a major corporat... by pmachinery on Sunday December 06, 2020 @06:50PM (#25327823)
As I follow it, you're the one arguing it definitely didn't happen, based on one discredited witness, when there's evidence going back decades of abuse by political, military and intelligence figures in children's homes across Britain and Northern Ireland, and cover ups going all the way to the Prime Minister.

And what's the alternative to 1? That the Establishment commits suicide by allowing investigations capable of destroying (all public faith and confidence in) the Establishment? I'd love to know why that would ever happen.

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