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Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by siliconmountain on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:32AM (#25324517)
An unwise hobby. I know recruiters and hiring managers that see low tenure jobhopping as a red flag
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by analog31 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @11:56AM (#25324698)
This may just be to discourage you from doing it. I've been on a number of hiring committees, and job hopping was never discussed as a negative. By the time you've been on the job for 1.5 years, chances are the hiring manager and recruiter have both moved on.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by baron_harkonnen on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:44PM (#25325101)
Someone mentioned "At 12 months they’re likely just becoming an effective employee"...

I haven't seen a job like this in a decade or more. The last two jobs I had expected you to be fully productive in a month, and if you not had made major contributions in by 12 months (and more specifically didn't fit in with management) you were going to be let go. Letting go of employees used to be relatively rare, but I find it's becoming standard practice these days.

I can't think of a single job I've had where ICs weren't deploying code to production within two weeks and at full productivity in about a month.

Decades ago it used to be the case that you could take time to fit in, find your strengths and start growing. But the idea that you would "just be getting started" at 12 months is laughable.

Job "hopping" used to make sense a few years ago because it was the fastest way to get promoted. Now I would say it's an essential survival skills as any place you aren't happy at is likely seeing that an planning when they can start to pip you.

Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by bpodgursky on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:45PM (#25325112)
It definitely changes the bar for me. If I see someone has a long string of 1-2 year jobs on their resume, the conversation changes from:

"Is this someone with high potential who could grow / be trained into a high performer?" to

"Is this someone who can hit the ground running and be productive within a month?"

It's very possible the answer is still yes, but I'm not going to spend time investing in a more uncertain candidate, if it's pretty clear they'll jump as soon as my time investment starts to pay off.

Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by comprev on Monday December 07, 2020 @02:35AM (#25330114)
I was job hopping in Amsterdam where the market is saturated by VC-backed SaaS startups. The churn rate was insane. Many of the teams I worked on have churned so much not one member is still there I worked with - in a space of 18-24 months (this was pre-COVID).

It is also worth noting a 12 month fixed term contract for any new full-time employee is standard. Due to Dutch employment law, the employer only has to offer a perm contract after a number of years (after the 3rd I think). This hardly encourages career growth and it if it takes 12 months to be "up to speed" you would have been fired already!

At the end of those 12 months they don't have to offer you anything more. Struggling and need extra training? Nope, you're gone. Particular project changing course (new CTO, new management)? Nope, you're gone. Pay rise? Lucky for 1% without threatening to leave... but other companies will add 15% for a new contract in a similar role. It's a no-brainer.

There was no sense of loyalty on either side.

The large professional network I made in the city helped enormously and heard about open positions on a weekly basis.

Now I am in a new role (outside of the Netherlands) where I genuinely hope I can stay with the company for many years and have a long career with them (with opportunities to progress internally). Their niche is something which I believe in and have a sense of pride about what they do.

Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by ViViDboarder on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:06PM (#25324782)
Personally I consider it a yellow flag when hiring. It could be a sign that they are likely to hop to the next thing and not worth investing in, or it could just be that they are looking for the right place to settle in. I will generally ask about their experiences and what they are looking for to try to discern which camp they may be in.

As with all hiring though, this is far from perfect.

Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by siliconmountain on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:27PM (#25324963)
I’m more talking about less than or equal to 12 months. It takes months of investment of my company to train a new hire. At 12 months they’re likely just becoming an effective employee and the investment is starting to see returns.

Leaving early means the investment wasn’t worth it (compared to hiring someone who doesn’t job hop)

Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by emteycz on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:02PM (#25324750)
Also, I'm hired to do a job. Around 1-2 year long job. I finish it and move on to what excites me next. My best hiring/HR managers and recruiters understand this, it makes our cooperation a bliss.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by Taylor_OD on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:06PM (#25324788)
As a former recruiter of 6 years... Most companies do not care. If you can do the job and pass their interview process they will make you an offer. I very rarely had anyone look down on "job hoppers" and if they did it would be when someone had 4-7 six month stints in a row. Normally those people would just say those were contract gigs and then the company wouldnt care.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by engineer_22 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @01:59PM (#25325673)
In the summer of my junior year at undergrad engineering school I attended a "career accelerator" course, a week long series of lectures from entrepreneurs and practicing engineers. One gentleman working for a multinational industrial corporation said specifically he recommends people get a new job every two years. He said he was on track to become CEO of this multinational company. Sometimes a new job can be found in the organization you work already.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by vsareto on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:05PM (#25324779)
Which is implying there can be nothing wrong with any company and it's always the employee's fault when it doesn't work out.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by dvtrn on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:15PM (#25324870)
A bit of a common thread I’ve noticed in the “what’s wrong with hiring” threads here and elsewhere.
Re:LinkedIn’s Alternate Universe by AtlasBarfed on Sunday December 06, 2020 @12:15PM (#25324874)
Why would you list all your jobs to give that impression?