Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web
by StavrosK on Saturday December 05, 2020 @04:40PM
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> The algorithmic timeline is what has really ruined online discourse and promoted an explosion of insanity.
This is a really good point. I think it's important to point to this as the root of the problem, and realize that what's good for Facebook and Twitter isn't what's good for society.
Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web
by api on Saturday December 05, 2020 @05:08PM
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I think a lot of this debate is on false premises. It’s not free unbiased media vs censorship but a debate over different kinds of biased media. All social platforms that implement any form of gamification or algorithmically weighted presentation are absolutely not neutral and will tend to promote whatever best satisfies the algorithm or echo chamber effect (in the case of gamified forums).
If the goal of the site is to maximize engagement, that’s going to be extremism, edgelording, porn, and trolling.
Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web
by riggernetard on Monday December 07, 2020 @02:19AM
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the algorithm also enables you to see content you like. Genuinely, what's the issue?
Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web
by api on Monday December 07, 2020 @08:36AM
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The algorithm has absolutely no way of knowing what I want. It can only guess by looking at what I've viewed, and the real motive is always to keep me on the site and maximize engagement.
As I said: negativity maximizes engagement.
Let me give you a simple example. Lets say I walk past you on the sidewalk and say hi. Not much engagement. Now lets say I walk up to you and punch you. I have just maximized engagement. Which is a better interaction?
Nazis don’t deserve to be handed the “2 Live Crew effect.” For those who don’t know this was a mediocre booty rap group whose record went triple platinum after attempts were made to ban it.
A parent poster raised another great point: the echo chambers that are full of this toxic stuff are themselves not free speech zones. They are heavily moderates safe spaces for specific ideologies and cultures. I am not convinced that this stuff would fare so well on a level intellectual playing field. It’s asinine.
On a final note it’s important to point out that the original explosion of e.g. Qanon happened not via some decentralized free speech zone or even the chans (where it was always ironic or a prank for most) but on social platforms with algorithmic timeline.
The algorithmic timeline is what has really ruined online discourse and promoted an explosion of insanity. Discourse on these sites is not equals but is weighted toward what will maximize engagement. Trolling, demagoguery, shock mongering, and various forms of “porn” (outrage porn, fear porn) are what maximizes engagement.
The algorithmic timeline would be extremely hard to implement in a decentralized system. That’s perhaps a good thing. It might look more like the genuinely flat forum world of the old Internet where discourse was comparatively far more reasonable.