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Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by annilt on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:12AM (#25312527)
The article is about that. Bell inequalities proved there isn’t ‘predestined’ effect(If you mean ‘hidden variables’ by that)
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by andreareina on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:33AM (#25312626)
No local hidden variables. Unless there's been a new development?
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by annilt on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:45AM (#25312684)
Yes, you’re right. I meant local hidden variables.
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by andreareina on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:28AM (#25312842)
Aww. I was hoping for a new development haha.
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by derbOac on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:31AM (#25312618)
But isn't superdeterminism still possible? I thought that was implied by the article's first assumption that physics was loathe to abandon, that the experimenters had free will, so to speak.
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by andreareina on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:35AM (#25312637)
Is superdeterminism even falsifiable?
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by fsh on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:52AM (#25312709)
None of the interpretations of quantum mechanics are. By design, they all predict exactly the same outcome for any conceivable experiment. The subject is entirely philosophical, not scientific.
Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by andreareina on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:18AM (#25312795)
They make predictions, which can be falsified. They even make different predictions---Scott Aaronson agrees that WF poses problems for the standard Copenhagen interpretation. Sean Carroll is on record somewhere saying that e.g. objective collapse models predict an in principle measurably different evolution of a system's entropy than many worlds.

I suppose I should have asked what predictions SD actually makes.

Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by tsimionescu on Saturday December 05, 2020 @08:05AM (#25314238)
Copenhagen Interpretation and MWI don't make different predictions from each other, but there are other theories that do. For example, pilot-wave theory makes different predictions. There are also some superdeterminist theories that make new predictions (Gerard T'Hooft is one advocate of such theories, I believe). Unfortunately I don't know of any concrete examples. Here is some more information on the subject from Sabine Hossenfelder:

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-forgotten-solut...

Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by fsh on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:29AM (#25312845)
Objective-collapse theory is a modification of QM, not merely an interpretation.

Superdeterminism on the other hand is not even a theory. It cannot be falsified by design.

Re:A New Theorem Maps Out the Limits of Quantum Physics by alisonkisk on Saturday December 05, 2020 @11:59AM (#25316051)
Global hidden variables are the predestined effect. The argument against global hidden variables is that it requires a godlike meddling in the whole universe to populate an infinite amount of arbitrary asymmetric details.