Thirty Years of ‘Against Measurement’

Re:Thirty Years of ‘Against Measurement’ by s_gourichon on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:38PM (#25306695)

This is interesting. This looks big. Too big to judge from a short summary. Can you back this up with some references? and some explanatory readings?

Ideally, and since the audience is at a varying levels, a number of complementary sources, along with a few words, would be best.

Not sure if what you talk about is related to quantum decoherence, so I'll take that as an example.

    * Some formal peer-reviewed scientific paper? (Probably too dry for 99,99% of people including me, but I'll try to at least read the abstract, introduction and conclusion.)
    * Some Wikipedia article, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence ?
    * Some blog or "popular" science magazine?
    * Some video, like from PBS Space Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlOwJWJWPUs or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSnq5Hs3_wI
    * Some different video, like Sabine's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igsuIuI_HAQ or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3HlA_9968
    * Some simpler video like, I don't know, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsxJmHS0cc8 if it even make sense?

I hope there are some that explain your actual, precise point, precisely. Thanks in advance.

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Re:Thirty Years of ‘Against Measurement’ by lisper on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:09PM (#25307098)

Just about any modern book on QM interpretation will tell you this, though not in so many words. (They won't necessarily endorse this point of view, but they will tell you about it.) Here is my take on it:

http://www.flownet.com/ron/QM.pdf

(Or the movie version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaecUuEqfc )

(These are now a wee bit dated, but still defensible.)

For something written by an actual physicist I recommend anything by Tim Maudlin (he's a Bohmian, but his pedagogy is without peer) or David Z. Alberts, "Quantum Mechanics and Experience."

UPDATE: There's also https://arxiv.org/abs/1204.4616

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Re:Thirty Years of ‘Against Measurement’ by s_gourichon on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:35PM (#25309220)

Thank to you, Ron (Erann, as your site explains) for your answer.

I have read a number of texts and books, and viewed a number of videos. Too many totally ignore the point. Even among the better ones, I’m unsatisfied. There is something different in the way you tell it.

I have looked at the beginning of your video and switched to your text. It looks like you explain things differently from other people, which feels like you aren't afraid of going straight to what is important. Even the arxiv link from a different author feels promising. Thanks again!

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Re:Thirty Years of ‘Against Measurement’ by lisper on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:46PM (#25309341)

You bet! Thanks for the kind words.

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