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Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by gedy on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:10AM (#25303053)
> A key factor of for solving climate change will be actions like this

Maybe, but seeing how Western nation's personal transport being way down due to COVID having little effect on CO2 leads me believe the real issue for the future is China's manufacturing sector, which will not go down.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by iso1631 on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:13AM (#25303092)
Countries need to charge a carbon tax - including on imports. Massive boost to local, green, manufacturing and trade.

The politcal view is "can't do that, price of cheap imported tat will increase and people would have to buy locally, which would be awful"

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by 0wis on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:38AM (#25303432)
May need more cultural changes before a law. Trials in France haven’t worked. Minimalism, KonMari methods and digital nomad trends (to name a few) are showing that you can live a very happy, fulfilled and wealthy life with a lot less material stuff. A solution could be to be mass communicate on this to help people become confident enough for a carbon tax.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by gedy on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:15AM (#25303126)
> including on imports

Yes this is key, as otherwise it's just outsourcing to others and hiding under carpet at the expense of local jobs.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by iso1631 on Monday December 07, 2020 @09:23AM (#25332347)
Worse than that, rather than using 100KWh of natural gas power to generate, you buy from abroad, from a less efficient producer who uses 150kWh of coal fired power, and then use another 100kWh of oil power to transport it.

With gas being 1 "badness" per 100KWh, oil being 2 and coal being 3, this would mean avoiding 1 unit locally, but getting importing 5 units.

The beauty of a carbon tax is that it satisfies those on both the environmental side ("the left") and the localism side ("the right"). The only ones not liking it are globalists that don't care about the environment.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by randlet on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:16AM (#25303130)
Isn't calling it "China's manufacturing sector" a bit disingenuous? For better or worse China's manufacturing sector is actually the western worlds manufacturing sector.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by gedy on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:24AM (#25303253)
No, because a lot of "gotta do something" actions in the west don't practically matter in the short or long term (I'm discounting "raising awareness" type goals). Whether or not Chinese manufacturing is the west's fault is secondary to reducing China's growing output.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by cantankerous on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:18AM (#25303163)
China is where the west hides its dirty manufacturing.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by bilbo0s on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:21AM (#25303198)
Off topic, but what's odd about COVID is that China's manufacturing sector is down as well. Even in absolute terms. It makes me realize there are things out there that I'm obviously not even aware of that cause us to pump all this CO2 into the air.

Or maybe the transportation and power generation sectors pollute far more than what I read and believed?

Or maybe clothing manufacture? Or food?

Who knows? But it's made me really curious about what it is out there that hasn't gone down during COVID? (And not just because I want to make a fast buck. It's genuine curiosity.)

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by randlet on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:27AM (#25303288)
> Who knows?

The EPA knows! [0]

    Global greenhouse gas emissions can also be broken down by the economic activities that lead to their production.[1]
        25% is from electricity and heat production;
        14% from transport;
        6% from residential and commercial buildings;
        21% from industry;
        24% from agriculture, forestry and other land use;
        10% from other energy uses.Source: IPCC (2014);


[0] https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emiss...
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by bilbo0s on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:45AM (#25303557)
Ah.

So it is power generation and farming.

That makes sense. Thanks.

So as a species, our big gains against global warming are going to be made by reducing CO2 output from the power generation and food production sectors.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by treeman79 on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:42AM (#25303504)
Weird overlap of people who love bitcoin and reducing power usage.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by nytgop77 on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:52PM (#25307766)
I name them hipsters.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by cagenut on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:10AM (#25303903)
I'm particularly fond of the "ourworldindata" website because they combine a very direct and focused outline of the facts with clear visual graphs and charts. IMHO its impossible to understand the scope and complexity of climate change and greenhouse gas emissions without picturing a lot of charts in your head. This pie chart in particular is a very good starting point:

https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector#energy-electr...