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Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by ekianjo on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:56AM (#25302879)
> Wear a mask

Still waiting for a very convincing evidence that most masks that people use actually do something. Agree that even with the lack of evidence, it's probably better to wear one, but it's pitiful that by the end of 2020 we still don't really know for sure.

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by tethys on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:38AM (#25303442)
Recent study [0]: "We found that cotton masks, surgical masks, and N95 masks all have a protective effect with respect to the transmission of infective droplets/aerosols of SARS-CoV-2 and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader."

[0] https://msphere.asm.org/content/5/5/e00637-20

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by jader201 on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:52AM (#25304579)
> and that the protective efficiency was higher when masks were worn by a virus spreader

So does this mean that between:

- virus spreader wearing a mask + non-virus spreader not wearing a mask

And:

- virus spreader not wearing a mask + non-virus spreader wearing a mask

The former is safer for the non-virus spreader?

Meaning that we’re more dependent on those spreading the virus to be diligent about wearing masks, vs. those not infected to be wearing masks?

I’m trying to make sense of why we’re seeing more cases now vs. earlier in the year when there was less knowledge and awareness of masks, and this might partially explain it.

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by zeku on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:44PM (#25305365)
I'll give this crack. I believe the current state of knowledge is that it likely works like this:

Mask on virus spreader: Mask will capture a very large amount of the viral load being shed.

Mask on non-spreader: Will filter some amount of the air you're breathing in and lower your initial viral load. Giving you either

A) a low enough dose your immune system kills it off or

B) a low enough dose your immune system has more time to mount a defense before the viral load in your body rises high, potentially leading to a more mild infection.

That's why we ALL need to wear a mask and stay 6ft/2 meters apart.

BTW, further is better 6ft is not a magic bubble.

Also there is aerosol transmission(floating covid in the air). Ventilation is CRITICAL for this to be stopped. Germany is spearheading ventilation as a way to stop the spread as far as I know.

They are making rules about intervals windows need to be opened etc.

Heres a BBC article covering Germany on this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54599593

Here's a random blog that gets into it: https://dirkpaessler.blog/2020/08/13/corona-wie-co2-messgera...

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by michaelbrooks on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:06AM (#25302999)
How about a slow-mo video of sneezing with and without a mask?[0] It clearly shows the amount of spray caused by wearing and not wearing a mask. I know there can be micro particles not shown by film, but it does give a much clearer example of how effective masks can be.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66wJFD3bs

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by overcast on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:38AM (#25303433)
I mean other than that doctors have been wearing them for centuries at this point?
Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by chad_strategic on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:34AM (#25304270)
I have never personally (with my own eyes) seen seat belts save lives.

So I don't wear one and I have never been in accident.

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by contravariant on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:12AM (#25303067)
The parts we do know aren't exactly reassuring, but they're limited to the physical properties of masks (i.e. do they stop aerosols / particles). It's somewhat hard to test how big an effect they have on preventing infections since it's nigh impossible to control the other variables (ethically).
Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by scarmig on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:46AM (#25303562)
I've also found the actual epidemiological evidence for mask wearing being effective at preventing transmission lacking, despite the historical precedent and obvious mechanism of action.

I still think it's highly likely that mask wearing is effective (even the shitty cloth masks with designer brands printed on them, and in a sense beyond it being a good idea to as a cheap precautionary measure), but the lack of convincing evidence of that is surprising.

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by mellavora on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:27AM (#25304160)
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Please do keep in mind the time it takes to gather the data needed and then to write, peer review, and publish a rigorous epidemiological study.

You'd be very hard pressed to meet that standard in less than 9 months. Which means the first solid epidemiological evidence would not be available until, if we say that the epidemic went global in Feb 2020, until Nov 2020. And guess what, there it is!

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by hsolatges on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:40AM (#25303472)
Which piece of evidence would suit your need? Beyond the physics of wearing a mask, I mean.
Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by mellavora on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:23AM (#25304099)
I appreciate your support for mask wearing, but am troubled that you do not see the evidence.

I hate to say "right in front of your nose" because that's where the mask sits....

As others have pointed out, the reasons doctors wear surgical masks is because they prevent the spread of infection. Why do you think they are called 'surgical masks'? Why do you think doctors wear them?

The N95 standard (if you want to upgrade to a N95 mask) requires that the mask have a certain ability to filter out aerosols.

I would consider that pretty strong evidence that a (properly fitted) N95 would reduce your chance of exposure via aerosol transmission, and also reduce your ability to spread it to others via the same route.

Is this really so hard to understand?

If you prefer epidemiological studies linked specifically to Covid,

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/12/02/2015954117

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342198360_Associati...

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/15/E410

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%...

Re:I made 24 high-quality Covid illustrations. Free for comm... by Kerrick on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:32AM (#25304234)
The parent comment asked about the masks most people wear. I'm under the impression most people aren't wearing N95 masks, let alone N95 respirators. I refuse to wear a cloth face covering--I only wear N95 respirators with a silicone seal. I'm not taking that kind of chance.