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Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by Beldin on Friday December 04, 2020 @07:39AM (#25301591)
As an assistant prof in CS:

- books can partially teach you the "how" and also partially the "why".

- at university, you are being taught how to teach yourself, not necessarily how to perform practical things. Age of the exercise is therefore less relevant.

- ideally, teaching a room full of 50 students is easy better than an online class with 50, which easily should beat a video. Not all classes are like this which is a shame.

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by stevegalla on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:48PM (#25306844)
What is really meant by “being taught how to teach yourself” or “learning to learn”?

Why does this have to be done in a university setting? Is this explicitly conveyed or is this an outcome of going through classes and it’s what it takes to succeed?

Personally, when I was studying at a pretty strong university in terms of global rankings, I didn’t really “learn to learn” from the classes. The most helpful to me was Cal Newport’s blog (from his grad student days), Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange soft questions, hn discussions about learning and studying, and office hours when I explicitly asked Profs how they study, learn, and solve problems.

When I took what I learned from those sources and stopped going to class to instead work through the textbook/course material at my own pace, my grades improved significantly. If I am able to get an “A” without going to class, does that mean the Prof / university successfully taught me the material or whatever lesson(s) were to be learned?

Sorry for the rant, but I feel the default shouldn’t be to go through higher education to learn to learn. (I’m not saying you are saying that.) So, how can these lessons be made available more widely available?

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by Orthw2020 on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:05AM (#25301798)
> ...at university, you are being taught how to teach yourself, not necessarily how to perform practical things.

vs getting a self-taught junior role early and not being $100k in debt?

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by Beldin on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:30AM (#25302549)
$100k in debt may be typical for the US. In several countries in the EU, you'd pay much, much less.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by pb7 on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:25AM (#25304129)
It is not typical for the US either. Average is something like $30K. It's a lot but it's not $100K.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by colejohnson66 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:42PM (#25305339)
Where are people going to college (in the US) for $30k after 4 years (community colleges excluded)?
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by pb7 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:48PM (#25305412)
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by vonmoltke on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:46PM (#25306814)
Very few students borrow, or at least need to borrow, 100% of the cost of attendance.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by scarface74 on Friday December 04, 2020 @07:43PM (#25310393)
Most people don’t spend tens of thousands of dollars on education to be better citizen of the world. They want to support their habit of needing food and shelter.