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Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by gambiting on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:09AM (#25301089)
>>The purpose of Universities is to uphold, expand and disseminate human culture, not to prepare people for a career in the industry.

Like, I personally agree with you, but then I also think that we don't have the right to define it as such. There's plenty of people who think that the main goal of a university(at least in scientific/engineering fields) should be to prepare people for working in the industry.

Equally, I see nothing wrong with courses which are specifically designed for this. I myself have finished a "Games Engineering" masters which boasted about close links to the industry, and over 90% hire rate in the industry after - and I got exactly what was promised. I don't see any issue with that personally. I also have friends who had their entire PhDs funded by companies like Red Hat, because they were researching things done in collaboration with them. Also don't have any issue here, and that made sure that my friends not only paid nothing for their PhDs, they were actually pretty well compensated throughout.

I think the perspective changes when you have to pay for university. My sister has a degree in film making from a British university, which she paid nealy £60k(!!!!) for, and her chances of employment in the industry are nearly zero. Where I'm from(Poland)_all higher education is free, and then I have no problem with degrees not correlating with employment(but then maybe on the other hand, as a Polish tax payer, maybe I would prefer that they did, otherwise why are we paying these people to study with no employment prospects afterwards. Again, I don't really think that but I know many people do).

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by djhworld on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:22AM (#25301151)
> should be to prepare people for working in the industry.

There used to be a system of education here in the UK called vocational colleges (or sometimes courses) where you would do exactly this, prepare for work in the industry - and industry would be involved in helping shape the curriculum, giving students work experience etc.

This has fallen out of favour a lot, it still exists for trades activities like plumbing, electrician, bricklaying/building etc. but you won't find a software engineering course

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by Mauricebranagh on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:50AM (#25301311)
The entire vocational system in the UK was gutted by Thatcher 40 years ago - the employers did not want to pay the levy

Recently the government tried to bring back "apprenticeships" but this was abused very hard by retailers to pay shelf stackers 1/2 the minimum wage.

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by vixen99 on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:18AM (#25301915)
What does 'plenty of people' mean; any evidence? Who should be asked or does anyone's opinion qualify to be taken into account?
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by gambiting on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:17PM (#25306450)
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking for to be honest. It's not like the role of every university in the world is quantifiable or that we have some central authority figure who could say one way or another. Plenty of people because clearly there is a push from both universities and from the industry to craft courses that are oriented more towards work than academia. Plenty of people, because enough students seek out courses which guarantee employment, not research, that this is a shifting focus for many places of study. If you have someone you suggest we should ask or whose opinion you would respect, then name them.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by greenkey on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:35AM (#25301225)
Students today have become quite reliant on Google Docs essentially putting almost all of their classwork out on the web. What if it were to fail? That’s different than it used to be when each student needed to handwrite or type up a paper without SAAS that could break, and those students aren’t prepping to work for Google.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by uryga on Friday December 04, 2020 @07:43AM (#25301627)
> What if it were to fail?

isn't that the price you pay for using any online sharing thingy? you gain easy sharing+access (because it's "on someone else's computer"), but lose control. if it makes information easily accessible (contrast with xeroxing paper docs), i think it's a decent trade-off.

it'd be nice if we weren't reliant on one service provider, but idk any good alternatives.

> those students aren’t prepping to work for Google.

i don't get this part. would you criticize the widespread usage of MS Office as "those people aren't prepping to work for Microsoft"?

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by asutekku on Friday December 04, 2020 @06:42AM (#25301266)
And I’m pretty happy that students use nowadays google docs. Sure, it’s propiertary and can break at any point, but man if it does not make collaboration easier.
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by greenkey on Friday December 04, 2020 @07:42AM (#25301612)
So: total reliance on someone giving something away for free that could break or be taken away at any time and you have no privacy- that’s ok, even if they’re not going to hire you later?
Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by mrlala on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:35AM (#25303390)
What?

At any time, you can download your google docs data and have it locally. You can convert it to word/excel formats.

This makes anything you are trying to argue completely irrelevant.

If they basically forced you to keep your data in their proprietary format online-only, then maybe you have an argument.. but since this is not true you are grasping at straws here.

Re:Big Tech is getting cozy with computer science departments by asutekku on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:59PM (#25318293)
I trust Apple more than a random TV manufacturer. Sure, it’s not perfect but i don’t want to completely cut off myself from the TV App ecosystem.