Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by pbourke on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:07AM
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To summarize: up till now, Java Threads have been 1:1 with OS threads. They’re limited to a few thousand per JVM. This project moves to an M:N threading model but retains the Thread API. It allows for millions of threads per JVM and async/await style performance of the existing synchronous Java libraries without language changes and with minimal changes to the standard library.
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by gpderetta on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:17AM
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Originally (about 20 years ago) java threads were M:N I think. How is this different? If I had to guess, they are not opaque to the VM which has more freedom to optimize them.
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by simiones on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:24AM
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This is mentioned in the article: the old green threads model was not blocking aware - if a green thread scheduled on an OS thread issued a blocking call (say a listen on a socket) than the whole OS thread was blocked.
With Project Loom, if a virtual thread executes a blocking call, the virtual thread is suspended and the OS thread is free to execute another virtual thread.
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by anonymousDan on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:42AM
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So how does it actually execute the system call under the hood? Using some kind of background OS thread pool?
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by Cojen on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:20PM
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From what I can tell, async system calls are used whenever possible. A blocking call on a socket doesn't make a blocking system call, thus permitting the carrier OS thread to go do something else. As for file I/O, things are a bit messy. Older linux kernels don't support "true" async file I/O, and the Java NIO async file channels do use thread pools to emulate async behavior in that case.
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by kasperni on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:31AM
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Green threads was only available on Solaris. They did not support more than 1 cpu. They were not particular particular performant either. And on top of that had issues with calling native code.
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by dboreham on Friday December 04, 2020 @08:16AM
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There was a before time when they weren't 1:1
Re:Project Loom and Structured Concurrency
by technologia on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:28AM
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Thank you, I totally clicked on this thinking how could Google Loon have anything to do with this
also discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23201559
From https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/loom/Main, it's an OpenJDK project:
> Project Loom is to intended to explore, incubate and deliver Java VM features and APIs built on top of them for the purpose of supporting easy-to-use, high-throughput lightweight concurrency and new programming models on the Java platform.
A bit more history/explanation here:
http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~rpressler/loom/loom/sol1_part1.h...