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Re:Justice Dept files suit against Facebook for discriminati... by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:04PM (#25296623)
The US is incredibly lucky that so many of the smartest people in the world come to do research at its universities. Most countries would love to be in that position. Cutting off that immigration in order to "serve the nation" would be incredibly short-sighted.

> students who are likely to take the knowledge gained (at institutions built in part through decades of public funding) back to their home countries (understandably).

Or, if they're allowed to, remain in the US and contribute to its continued technological and scientific dominance. Even if they eventually leave the US, they don't just soak up knowledge while they're in the US. Most actual research is done by graduate students, for relatively meager pay. The US has a continual influx of extremely smart people who are willing to work relatively cheaply to keep American research institutions at the forefront of scientific research. How is this a bad deal for the United States?

Re:Justice Dept files suit against Facebook for discriminati... by jtdev on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:24PM (#25296838)
It’s about balance... what SV is doing with H1B is not about keeping the U.S. at “the forefront of scientific research”.
Re:Justice Dept files suit against Facebook for discriminati... by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:33PM (#25296956)
I was talking about academia, which is why I said "scientific research."

What SV is doing is perpetuating US dominance in software (and some hardware development fields). If most of the skilled software engineers in the world become off-limits to SV companies, then the global software industry will cease to be so heavily concentrated in SV.

It's strange and amusing to see people earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year complaining about foreigners undercutting their salaries. They imagine that if immigration is restricted, then the open jobs will go to Americans. The reality is that the jobs will leave. Aesop must have written a fable about this sort of situation.

Re:Justice Dept files suit against Facebook for discriminati... by jtdev on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:45PM (#25297082)
Do you think Xi and Modi would be allowing their citizens to work and study in the U.S. if it were not advantageous to China and India?
Re:Justice Dept files suit against Facebook for discriminati... by DiogenesKynikos on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:00PM (#25297236)
It's possible for both the US and China/India to benefit. The US gets a massive yearly influx of extremely smart students, many (maybe most) of whom want to remain in the US. Even if they do eventually return, they work for US research labs while they're getting their degrees. China and India eventually get some of the students back, now with increased skills.

But it's not as if China and India are in control of this process. Unless they're going to take the drastic step of preventing young people from leaving, it's not up to them to say how many students go to the US. They do increasingly try to get students to return, and any increase in xenophobia or restrictions on immigration in the US will make that easier.