My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveillants

Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by mdpopescu on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:07PM (#25293988)

I don't understand this "argument from incredulity". It has leaked - you found out about it. Do you want them to publish an article in NY Times saying "yes, we spy on you all the time"? Do you want a personalized letter? What, exactly, is the form of this "leak" you expect would happen if this were true?

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by distances on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:10PM (#25294977)

Just in case you are serious here: a random anecdote on a forum discussion doesn't count for anything, definitely not for a "leak". That parent message had a wild claim which of course requires serious proof.

Edit: since you're asking, proof could be multiple testimonials from ex-engineers working on the project or a peer-reviewed article in a serious journal. Until that this is in the same bin with healing crystals and chemtrails.

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by mdpopescu on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:18AM (#25300205)

Right. Testimonials in violation of their NDAs.

Whistleblowers never prosper, at least in the US. Too many examples, take Stingray for a less controversial one. What was the result? Crickets. Exactly what would be the incentive for those engineers?

Myself, I'm a Bayesian and I grew up in a communist country, which means I start from "of course everyone is spying on me, all the time" and require strong evidence to change my mind.

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by Hamuko on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:35AM (#25300280)

>Right. Testimonials in violation of their NDAs.

You're expecting 100% of the engineers at Facebook (or previously at Facebook) that know about this to comply with the NDA. And history shows that 100% of Facebook employees will not keep quiet about Facebook doing bad/illegal things.

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by distances on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:27AM (#25304155)

I don't need to change your mind, so I won't try. I'll just say that it must be very tiring to believe every conspiracy theory by default. To me it seems like a sad way to live.

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by Hamuko on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:09PM (#25294011)

>It has leaked - you found out about it.

Where?

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by mdpopescu on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:10PM (#25294034)

Really? In the parent message.

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Re:My Phone Was Spying on Me, So I Tracked Down the Surveill... by Hamuko on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:20PM (#25294186)

Yeah, really. Because I ain't seeing anything.

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