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Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by J-dawg on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:30AM (#25287879)
In the original design, wasn't there an optional safety feature that added a second AoA sensor? It seems unbelievable, and is possibly one of the most ridiculous things about this whole story.

Presumably as part of the update, this optional feature has become standard?

I'd also like to see a list of all the airlines that chose not to spec the additional sensor in their initial order of the aircraft. It probably says a lot about their safety culture.

Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by detaro on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:43AM (#25287947)
From what I understand, the plane always has two sensors and MCAS always only used one of them (with Boing arguing that the pilot was the "redundancy"). The plane was supposed to show an alert when the two sensors disagreed, but Boing made a mistake and that alert only showed when the airline had purchased an additional add-on package to show the sensor value in the pilot display. Boing discovered this in 2017, but did not consider this a safety-critical defect and thus didn't inform anyone or prioritize a fix, despite internally also assuming that the pilot realizing the issue within seconds was the redundancy for correcting MCAS.
Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by alavesto on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:42AM (#25288707)
Boeing's expectations for pilots recovering from an MCAS error were criminal. With an erroneous AOE reading, MCAS would immediately and repeatedly force the nose down. Pilots, not even told that MCAS existed, would somehow need to quickly recognize it as a powered flight control problem, cut off power to the stabilizer, and use the manual trim wheel to raise the nose - which can be physically impossible at high speeds in a nose-down attitude.

No rational person would think this system wouldn't kill people. The people responsible committed manslaughter.

Re:Boeing's upgraded 737 Max completes first flight with med... by J-dawg on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:44AM (#25288730)
Thanks for that explanation. I think this was misreported at the time (or I just wasn't paying attention!).

In a way what you described is worse: a known bug that they decided not to fix.

I'm surprised that displaying the sensor value wouldn't be a standard feature.